From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/83239 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: luigi scarso Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Overriding pdfview Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <51CAF274.9050503@meahan.net> <51CB0614.5030208@meahan.net> <51CB4133.7060707@wxs.nl> <51CB5CC0.8090505@meahan.net> <51CB6A37.9030509@wxs.nl> <51CB731F.8020400@meahan.net> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1428810245==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372317678 28073 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2013 07:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jun 27 09:21:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Us6W9-0004CP-4H for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6409101F8; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jaj-WSeoaQMT; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C48101E9; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96DE101E9 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id phDCpvODfwIu for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (filter3-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.71]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375E4101E5 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) by filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r5R7LGAd000916 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:21:16 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id er20so415715lab.3 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:21:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oXT8JQlO5quVUCU4Su5ZWB0lODqen8YHvu4ykL3y1B0=; b=RV5TelHaxp2xJuLeK+e2hAsJyF2Tmo+egXQFVxAU9eaxe5U0jiA0G64fiMl/n971RO hHGy/U6fNZX+mNkSjCD8mn48dJivyrDZRlYVaEo7KgOycir+qgyy5BdFj2rvGtZuJ4ls crNq1UBFnFSk+5BEKb6GqGHuAlf5Y8NvJW9zCBR4yim0QfcUbAd97PC2UfQwdnwXOI5U fnNPRo3LGUQPQF6NcBHHwykf7fktepZ0deuXK5qmaD+0/Sv5QSHW5HsrK8ksxlu9Z514 M+fuDbx0Vm+Tl+JxF1kzwNvR7BkwXNEeJRRzuk9DATucGxv+ssgn7c8FrIdkVW/UMWc7 8l4w== X-Received: by 10.152.21.131 with SMTP id v3mr3567960lae.50.1372317676096; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.114.160.83 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:21:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51CB731F.8020400@meahan.net> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0004 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c; country=IE X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 03JRjlgOS - 9be3fb83cb8c - 20130627 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:83239 Archived-At: --===============1428810245== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158b6949a522804e01d9b84 --089e0158b6949a522804e01d9b84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Bill Meahan wrote: > On 6/26/2013 6:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > ........................[snip]......................... > > If there is one thing I have learned in developing software since 1965 > (not a typo), it is to never depend on *any *third-party application > being present. If it is not part of the base system install, it probably > won't be there. I've even met Unix systems without *make*. Requiring the > user to use some flag or other seldom flies and results in many nastygrams > and late-night phone calls. If you need it, include it. > > yes , this is how currently the standalone core context --- and in the end, also the texlive -- works, with the constrain that it has to work with the same results on several different platforms. This means that the viewer cannot be part of the core -- it's the same situation of inkscape for svg. But instead of give no support at all sometime is better to give some support, if possibile -- for example if it's easy to install a pdf viewer or inkscape. -- luigi --089e0158b6949a522804e01d9b84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Bill Meahan <= subscribed= _lists@meahan.net> wrote:
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On 6/26/2013 6:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
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If there is one thing I have learned in developing software since 1965 (not a typo), it is to never depend on any third-party application being present. If it is not part of the base system install, it probably won't be there. I've even met Unix systems without make. Requiring the user to use some flag or other seldom flies and results in many nastygrams and late-night phone calls. If you need it, include it.

yes , this is how currently the standalone = core=C2=A0 context --- and in the end, also the texlive -- works, with the= constrain that
it has to work with the same results on seve= ral different platforms.
This means that the viewer cannot be part of the core -- it'= s the same situation of inkscape for svg.
But instead of give= no support at all sometime is better to give some support, if possibile --= for example if it's easy to install a pdf viewer or inkscape.


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