From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22794 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2023 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (5.39.185.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Jun 2023 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833261C3920; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.ntg.nl Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hPsDX0M-jJ9b; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89A31C3450; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7441F1C3450 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.ntg.nl Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8sDyaooc8p6 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:15 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.215.178; helo=mail-pg1-f178.google.com; envelope-from=luigi.scarso@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com (mail-pg1-f178.google.com [209.85.215.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8601C1C102C for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-53f04fdd77dso190550a12.3 for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2023 03:32:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1685615533; x=1688207533; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0uXldXe31j3JAwjughhx93Vy5jqhQ4pGv86CWWiefhQ=; b=emizOW1Iqy8aCPRZTxBURttWPA/EPssaTqIhGRtne5YggJokHARjnUPdcuIm3yZLQh Nj9l7OtCK3QdvRW8zAiKfRVR1pmlkJIyBei569qT86CuRjIpRt3ASyLvVxf7HmFYqWrI H3gAg8aYeRYREy+eHtNwRp8UJhee6XaIWqSJZkC6sqUtsGg02/x4KizvFzmU2qRXDNH2 IRNIB0oo0VZQNI8lx1HvfKHJCjZt9zs40M6lwiGy6ZjoRVkKxsQm+koyT1EjtJ728Hyu /vOc1GXkbO4uuPmRqSvPQlk+uZSUz2XLD7RmsXmmQkmLeHVETPUOPgPmPIkO2bxHKhJE zlEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685615533; x=1688207533; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=0uXldXe31j3JAwjughhx93Vy5jqhQ4pGv86CWWiefhQ=; b=ekZOolBBeh4zVEe2Zjode5LBF+byyfDRXNQebfphFFrulWguNcJkl+FaO1+8or/1Zh LnDWC+6dOd/lj22L8NSew7NingCvhzrfLKXBfBd7XdGIm8XkfobfIWfxkdz/N1ILc2Ab d+RlA5gnEZtiVx5qUafuOe0C0ZBXwqTrlknV8zD6qLGcRsjD6UcsR26WUY6SsQTxxXv9 PjB86vcq79i2JQq2CCCFh4TE/Re3wwJvzPfwrxU2JUndGKoFje8QvKckDOhEeFKLZMfp ZF0+Ho0r13FhlzRLm46H1bCIkxqUXvJ9hWGs5x7b+J5SpPJwVcYMj8QJO6FYzlAJpfYN mz0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyoOre3FwDViVyZ3u/zVL1+1FfPmuQgWVEjZfvCkAWA9EvmNqeq ndg2G5OX1Ah+J//kZH9SuL35IrBDOPMLHcUNdnvvBArJfuo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4XfzeSEUk0E5AFqfn7KUGJ3AWenWFSnplv6UXWKe0KsbLHlonN1kklfI4HmWx4kfi5Gc0OxvdAwqTKTltg8Uw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:2291:b0:1ac:a28e:4b1d with SMTP id b17-20020a170903229100b001aca28e4b1dmr7162156plh.34.1685615533397; Thu, 01 Jun 2023 03:32:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4d6bfac1-1ce5-fff0-9309-b07b6879eb76@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d6bfac1-1ce5-fff0-9309-b07b6879eb76@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:32:02 +0200 Message-ID: To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] knuth X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.38 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: luigi scarso via ntg-context Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: luigi scarso Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8842262759368690698==" Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sender: "ntg-context" --===============8842262759368690698== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000189bf405fd0ef38d" --000000000000189bf405fd0ef38d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 11:45, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote: > Hi, > > Probably some on this list already checked how well chatgpt answers > questions about domains one knows well and then probably noted that in > spite of impressive wording, one can run into quite incorrect answers. > > One can get really stupid responses about tex and friends, but also can > get impressive exmapled when asked for. (I'm still planning a wrap up of > some.) > > That said, one should read: > > https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth/chatGPT20.txt > > and this makes a pretty nice new sample file: > > It's amazing how the confident tone lends credibility to all of that > made-up nonsense. Almost impossible for anybody without knowledge > of the book to believe that those "facts" aren't authorititative > and well researched. > you can happily include the email that I have sent to you that declares that *you* are the author of MFlua and *I* have nothing to do with it (chatgpt3: as far as I know, the overall number of users+developers of MFLua in the entire solar system is exactly 1 -- me -- at least from 10 years) . For a moment I was even convinced that it was true. On the other hand, I am pretty sure that it will be able to generate perfect lualatex files for articles, reports, and later books. How and when it's more a matter of interest rather than capabilities. -- luigi --000000000000189bf405fd0ef38d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 11:45, Hans Hag= en via ntg-context <ntg-context@nt= g.nl> wrote:
Hi,

Probably some on this list already checked how well chatgpt answers
questions about domains one knows well and then probably noted that in
spite of impressive wording, one can run into quite incorrect answers.

One can get really stupid responses about tex and friends, but also can get impressive exmapled when asked for. (I'm still planning a wrap up o= f
some.)

That said, one should read:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth/chatGPT20.= txt

and this makes a pretty nice new sample file:

It's amazing how the confident tone lends credibility to all of that made-up nonsense. Almost impossible for anybody without knowledge
of the book to believe that those "facts" aren't authorititat= ive
and well researched.


you= can happily include the email that I have sent to you that declares that *= you* are the author of MFlua
and *I* have nothing to do with it (= chatgpt3: as far as I know, the=C2=A0 overall number of=C2=A0 users+develop= ers of MFLua in the entire solar system is exactly=C2=A01 -- me -- at least= from 10 years) .
For a moment=C2=A0 I was even convinced that it= was true.

On the other hand, I am pretty sure tha= t it will be able to generate=C2=A0perfect=C2=A0lualatex files for articles= , reports, and later books.=C2=A0
How and when=C2=A0 it's mor= e a matter of=C2=A0 interest=C2=A0rather than capabilities.

<= /div>
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luigi

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