From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/77816 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: luigi scarso Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: A series of articles about text-editors for the MAPS Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <3A84E0FD-7B31-4519-98CF-94D16CD3B396@boede.nl> <20120807202248.3b8d5571@sda3.wexfordpress.net> <87zk65v7vp.fsf@gmail.com> <50227BC5.60602@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0728366389==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344438143 20992 80.91.229.3 (8 Aug 2012 15:02:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 08 17:02:21 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sz7m6-00039z-GS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:02:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1D5101EC; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kXRD3dQ-vqYU; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27F9101DF; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13D9101DF for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id idp96CjHyE+V for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (filter1-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.152]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB343101DD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q78F2BTT020450 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:02:11 +0200 Original-Received: by wibhq4 with SMTP id hq4so621620wib.2 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:02:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xRgQh/EEF8x70j1hRye+nxaJcJco2oSwbLz0rfJqkoE=; b=A84tciYXWYAO24LE5L8E/zMmMGsJGLd0zQc5T2mDRr5a8trOy8aqEEmatEZBqmJOmI sIKULSrVPak5+jRYjrtap9sMoXfWVT4CT58sgXxB8aQF94qH6Svnbo3dAgwZKN82SihG BjJI4zfxJ/TcsQPblUaqqk+5NcJUYrEfrm0zTCCQAYnkHS7FpX/o1AoZ306vdsTzhPCb kX28pCAf0i4AHhuKlddE+ZXLsPsBHMiZiXSi/KNrL1aqNCKmG5RnXQ7m4neRHKml2POt wcmD7frBXViQZ2pcqvn3jIX4344A1p1gPWTfRbSNLAlNRnLD0f2LULOBKpQ8wxX6Olvx yfXw== Original-Received: by 10.180.103.136 with SMTP id fw8mr3381758wib.20.1344438131183; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.223.81.78 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:02:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50227BC5.60602@gmail.com> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.212.179; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07HIf2bdx - 131e34d9744c - 20120808 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:77816 Archived-At: --===============0728366389== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044304463b4ff404c6c265f3 --f46d044304463b4ff404c6c265f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: > On 08/08/2012 09:19 AM, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz wrote: > >> Hi Willi, >> >> I used vim/gvim in the past and switched to emacs. I write all my stuff >> with ConTeXt and with some tweaking of the commands you can also make >> mkiv run inside of emacs. also nice is to write your metapost and use >> the metapost mode for it that can generate a preview inside emacs for >> you. Together with auctex and reftex emacs is in my opinion the best >> tool for writing TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt documents. >> >> > I USED to run emacs + auctex but the ConTeXt support in auctex is minimal > so I asked on the auctex mailing list if there would be any expansion of > the ConTeXt support. I got back a one-sentence reply: > > "Code doesn't change itself." > > Hm, that code > That ticked me off as the FSF has done for 30+ years. Not everyone is a > developer and just having the source code doesn't mean you understand the > language, the programming style, the particular programmer's choice of > "tricks" or the way the software is broken up into functions, what > functions are global and what functions are package-specific. > > A polite, "No, there's nobody working on it right now." might not have > gored my ox so badly. > > no surprise, context comunity is small > Since I'm going to have to write the kind of ConTeXt support I want, I > switched to Textadept. Textadept is conceptually similar to emacs but it > has been designed from the ground up for modern systems (emacs dates back > to the 1970's) and uses Lua for an extension language. Lua is sufficiently > similar to languages I have worked with in the past so learning it is > pretty easy compared to learning LISP (aka "Long Indecipherable Sets of > Parentheses") which is unlike anything else, period. > > Anyone involved in TeX programming has no fear of all others languages. > Textadept is based on Scintilla rather than some home-grown display > mechanism. > > I'm working on a ConTeXt-specific extension mode for ConTeXt that will not > only provide syntax highlighting and command completion, but will provide > command-specific option and parameter pick-lists for each command. > Unfortunately, it's in my queue behind a couple of other big > writing/journalism projects and won't be done for a while. > > I thought I was done coding after 45+ years of doing it but I guess I'm > not. > > Sorry for the rant. > > why not Scite ? It's the Hans's preferred editor. -- luigi --f46d044304463b4ff404c6c265f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Bill Mea= han <wmeahan94@gmail.com> wrote:
On 08/08/2012 09:19 AM, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz= wrote:
Hi Willi,

I used vim/gvim in the past and switched to emacs. I write all my stuff
with ConTeXt and with some tweaking of the commands you can also make
mkiv run inside of emacs. also nice is to write your metapost and use
the metapost mode for it that can generate a preview inside emacs for
you. Together with auctex and reftex emacs is in my opinion the best
tool for writing TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt documents.


I USED to run emacs + auctex but the ConTeXt support in auctex is minimal s= o I asked on the auctex mailing list if there would be any expansion of the= ConTeXt support. I got back a one-sentence reply:

"Code doesn't change itself."

Hm, that code=C2=A0

=C2=A0
That ticked me off as the FSF has done for 30+ years. Not everyone is a
developer and just having the source code doesn't mean you understand t= he language, the programming style, the particular programmer's choice = of "tricks" or the way the software is broken up into functions, = what functions are global and what functions are package-specific.

A polite, "No, there's nobody working on it right now." might= not have gored my ox so badly.

no surprise, context comunity is small
=C2= =A0
Since I'm going to have to write the kind of ConTeXt support I want, I = switched to Textadept. Textadept is conceptually similar to emacs but it ha= s been designed from the ground up for modern systems (emacs dates back to = the 1970's) and uses Lua for an extension language. Lua is sufficiently= similar to languages I have worked with in the past so learning it is pret= ty easy compared to learning LISP (aka "Long Indecipherable Sets of Pa= rentheses") which is unlike anything else, period.

Anyone involved in TeX programming has no fear of all= others languages.=C2=A0
Textadept is based on Scintilla rather than some home-grown display mechani= sm.

I'm working on a ConTeXt-specific extension mode for ConTeXt that will = not only provide syntax highlighting and command completion, but will provi= de command-specific option and parameter pick-lists for each command. Unfor= tunately, it's in my queue behind a couple of other big writing/journal= ism projects and won't be done for a while.

I thought I was done coding after 45+ years of doing it but I guess I'm= not.

Sorry for the rant.

why not Scite ? It's the Hans's= preferred editor.


--=C2=A0
luigi

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