Using the source han sans fonts fails

Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Ulrike Fischer]

Because of a question on tex.sx I tried to use the source han sans
fonts. I installed (in windows 10) the fonts from this zip-file:

https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/blob/release/OTF/SourceHanSansJ.zip

Trying to use them with latex/luaotfload failed with a memory
exhausted error while trying to write the lua-file. In context 

\starttext
\font\test={name:sourcehansans}
\test abc
\stoptext 

gave the error:

fonts           > otf loading > loading
'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash
'sourcehansans-regular'
otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
(max 65535)
otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
fonts           > otf loading > loading failed due to read error
fonts           > defining > forced type 'otf' of
'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' not found
fonts           > defining > font with asked name
'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' is not found using lookup
'name'
fonts           > defining > unknown font
'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular', loading aborted


xelatex had no problems to use the font. 

Is this an error in the font or in the fontloader?

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Hans Hagen]

On 9/19/2018 10:24 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> 
> Because of a question on tex.sx I tried to use the source han sans
> fonts. I installed (in windows 10) the fonts from this zip-file:
> 
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/blob/release/OTF/SourceHanSansJ.zip
> 
> Trying to use them with latex/luaotfload failed with a memory
> exhausted error while trying to write the lua-file. In context
> 
> \starttext
> \font\test={name:sourcehansans}
> \test abc
> \stoptext
> 
> gave the error:
> 
> fonts           > otf loading > loading
> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash
> 'sourcehansans-regular'
> otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
> (max 65535)
> otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
> fonts           > otf loading > loading failed due to read error
> fonts           > defining > forced type 'otf' of
> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' not found
> fonts           > defining > font with asked name
> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' is not found using lookup
> 'name'
> fonts           > defining > unknown font
> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular', loading aborted
> 
> 
> xelatex had no problems to use the font.
> 
> Is this an error in the font or in the fontloader?
it works ok here with luatex

but ... do you use luajittex? if so, forget about it as luajit has some 
limitations wrr memory and loading tables from stack (adapting the code 
to deal with that will make it a mess and we can't even be sure how long 
luajit will be around and supported in luatex anyway)

Hans

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Ulrike Fischer]

Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:54:08 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> On 9/19/2018 10:24 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
>> 
>> Because of a question on tex.sx I tried to use the source han sans
>> fonts. I installed (in windows 10) the fonts from this zip-file:
>> 
>> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/blob/release/OTF/SourceHanSansJ.zip
>> 
>> Trying to use them with latex/luaotfload failed with a memory
>> exhausted error while trying to write the lua-file. In context
>> 
>> \starttext
>> \font\test={name:sourcehansans}
>> \test abc
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> gave the error:
>> 
>> fonts           > otf loading > loading
>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash
>> 'sourcehansans-regular'
>> otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
>> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
>> (max 65535)
>> otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
>> fonts           > otf loading > loading failed due to read error
>> fonts           > defining > forced type 'otf' of
>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' not found
>> fonts           > defining > font with asked name
>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' is not found using lookup
>> 'name'
>> fonts           > defining > unknown font
>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular', loading aborted
>> 
>> 
>> xelatex had no problems to use the font.
>> 
>> Is this an error in the font or in the fontloader?
> it works ok here with luatex
> 
> but ... do you use luajittex? 

No (neither with lualatex). 

The context log says at the end:

mkiv lua stats  > used platform: mswin, type: windows, binary
subtree: texmf-mswin
mkiv lua stats  > used engine: luatex version 1.09 with
functionality level 6930, banner: this is luatex, version 1.09.0
(tex live 2018/w32tex)
mkiv lua stats  > control sequences: 45351 of 65536 + 100000
mkiv lua stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.3, used memory: 1519
MB (ctx: 1460 MB), hash type: lua, hash chars: min(32,40), symbol
mask: utf (τεχ)
mkiv lua stats  > runtime: 39.711 seconds

The fonts *are* large, and my computer is quite old, so it could be
a hardware problem, but I'm wondering a bit about the message

> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212




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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:18 AM Ulrike Fischer <news3@nililand.de> wrote:

> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:54:08 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
> > On 9/19/2018 10:24 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> >>
> >> Because of a question on tex.sx I tried to use the source han sans
> >> fonts. I installed (in windows 10) the fonts from this zip-file:
> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/blob/release/OTF/SourceHanSansJ.zip
> >>
> >> Trying to use them with latex/luaotfload failed with a memory
> >> exhausted error while trying to write the lua-file. In context
> >>
> >> \starttext
> >> \font\test={name:sourcehansans}
> >> \test abc
> >> \stoptext
> >>
> >> gave the error:
> >>
> >> fonts           > otf loading > loading
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash
> >> 'sourcehansans-regular'
> >> otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
> >> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
> >> (max 65535)
> >> otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
> >> fonts           > otf loading > loading failed due to read error
> >> fonts           > defining > forced type 'otf' of
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' not found
> >> fonts           > defining > font with asked name
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' is not found using lookup
> >> 'name'
> >> fonts           > defining > unknown font
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular', loading aborted
> >>
> >>
> >> xelatex had no problems to use the font.
> >>
> >> Is this an error in the font or in the fontloader?
> > it works ok here with luatex
> >
> > but ... do you use luajittex?
>
> No (neither with lualatex).
>
> The context log says at the end:
>
> mkiv lua stats  > used platform: mswin, type: windows, binary
> subtree: texmf-mswin
> mkiv lua stats  > used engine: luatex version 1.09 with
> functionality level 6930, banner: this is luatex, version 1.09.0
> (tex live 2018/w32tex)
> mkiv lua stats  > control sequences: 45351 of 65536 + 100000
> mkiv lua stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.3, used memory: 1519
> MB (ctx: 1460 MB), hash type: lua, hash chars: min(32,40), symbol
> mask: utf (τεχ)
> mkiv lua stats  > runtime: 39.711 seconds
>
> The fonts *are* large, and my computer is quite old, so it could be
> a hardware problem, but I'm wondering a bit about the message
>
> > otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
>
> hm
checking now

-- 
luigi

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Here is what I get (ConTeXt  ver: 2018.09.13 17:41 MKIV beta, luatex 1.09):


fonts           > otf loading > loading '/Users/taco/context-maps/tex/texmf-fonts/fonts/data/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash 'sourcehansans-regular'
otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212 (max 65535)
otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
otf reader      > merging 3 steps of 'gpos_single' lookup 'p_s_0'
otf reader      > merging 2 steps of 'gpos_pair' lookup 'p_s_1'
otf reader      > turning pairs of step 1 of 'gpos_pair' lookup 'p_s_1' into kerns
otf reader      > merging 11 steps of 'gpos_single' lookup 'p_s_2'
otf reader      > merging 3 steps of 'gpos_single' lookup 'p_s_3'
otf reader      > merging 10 steps of 'gpos_single' lookup 'p_s_5'
otf reader      > 24 steps of 351 removed due to merging
otf reader      > 1 steps of 351 steps turned from pairs into kerns
otf reader      > duplicates: 33 : [null] @ I00001 [soh] [stx] [etx] [eot] [enq] [ack] [bel] [bs] [ht] [lf] [vt] [ff] [cr] [so] [si] [dle] [dc1] [dc2] [dc3] [dc4] [nak] [syn] [etb] [can] [em] ...
otf reader      > duplicates: 1 :   (U+02002) @ I0F63F ﾠ (U+0FFA0)
… lots more duplicates


and a successful run despite all that. 

Note, however, that the luatex process tops out at nearly 3GB RAM
use while generating the cached version, which could be a problem
on 32-bit operating systems.

Best wishes,
Taco


> On 19 Sep 2018, at 11:21, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:18 AM Ulrike Fischer <news3@nililand.de> wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:54:08 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
> > On 9/19/2018 10:24 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> >> 
> >> Because of a question on tex.sx I tried to use the source han sans
> >> fonts. I installed (in windows 10) the fonts from this zip-file:
> >> 
> >> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/blob/release/OTF/SourceHanSansJ.zip
> >> 
> >> Trying to use them with latex/luaotfload failed with a memory
> >> exhausted error while trying to write the lua-file. In context
> >> 
> >> \starttext
> >> \font\test={name:sourcehansans}
> >> \test abc
> >> \stoptext
> >> 
> >> gave the error:
> >> 
> >> fonts           > otf loading > loading
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash
> >> 'sourcehansans-regular'
> >> otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
> >> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
> >> (max 65535)
> >> otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
> >> fonts           > otf loading > loading failed due to read error
> >> fonts           > defining > forced type 'otf' of
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' not found
> >> fonts           > defining > font with asked name
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' is not found using lookup
> >> 'name'
> >> fonts           > defining > unknown font
> >> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular', loading aborted
> >> 
> >> 
> >> xelatex had no problems to use the font.
> >> 
> >> Is this an error in the font or in the fontloader?
> > it works ok here with luatex
> > 
> > but ... do you use luajittex? 
> 
> No (neither with lualatex). 
> 
> The context log says at the end:
> 
> mkiv lua stats  > used platform: mswin, type: windows, binary
> subtree: texmf-mswin
> mkiv lua stats  > used engine: luatex version 1.09 with
> functionality level 6930, banner: this is luatex, version 1.09.0
> (tex live 2018/w32tex)
> mkiv lua stats  > control sequences: 45351 of 65536 + 100000
> mkiv lua stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.3, used memory: 1519
> MB (ctx: 1460 MB), hash type: lua, hash chars: min(32,40), symbol
> mask: utf (τεχ)
> mkiv lua stats  > runtime: 39.711 seconds
> 
> The fonts *are* large, and my computer is quite old, so it could be
> a hardware problem, but I'm wondering a bit about the message
> 
> > otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
> 
> hm
> checking now 
> 
> -- 
> luigi
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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Hans Hagen]

On 9/19/2018 11:17 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:54:08 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
>> On 9/19/2018 10:24 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>> Because of a question on tex.sx I tried to use the source han sans
>>> fonts. I installed (in windows 10) the fonts from this zip-file:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/blob/release/OTF/SourceHanSansJ.zip
>>>
>>> Trying to use them with latex/luaotfload failed with a memory
>>> exhausted error while trying to write the lua-file. In context
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> \font\test={name:sourcehansans}
>>> \test abc
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> gave the error:
>>>
>>> fonts           > otf loading > loading
>>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular.otf', hash
>>> 'sourcehansans-regular'
>>> otf reader      > loading of table 'vorg' skipped
>>> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
>>> (max 65535)
>>> otf reader      > rule 1 in gsub lookup 's_s_5' has empty lookups
>>> fonts           > otf loading > loading failed due to read error
>>> fonts           > defining > forced type 'otf' of
>>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' not found
>>> fonts           > defining > font with asked name
>>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular' is not found using lookup
>>> 'name'
>>> fonts           > defining > unknown font
>>> 'c:/windows/fonts/SourceHanSans-Regular', loading aborted
>>>
>>>
>>> xelatex had no problems to use the font.
>>>
>>> Is this an error in the font or in the fontloader?
>> it works ok here with luatex
>>
>> but ... do you use luajittex?
> 
> No (neither with lualatex).
> 
> The context log says at the end:
> 
> mkiv lua stats  > used platform: mswin, type: windows, binary
> subtree: texmf-mswin
> mkiv lua stats  > used engine: luatex version 1.09 with
> functionality level 6930, banner: this is luatex, version 1.09.0
> (tex live 2018/w32tex)
> mkiv lua stats  > control sequences: 45351 of 65536 + 100000
> mkiv lua stats  > lua properties: engine: lua 5.3, used memory: 1519
> MB (ctx: 1460 MB), hash type: lua, hash chars: min(32,40), symbol
> mask: utf (τεχ)
> mkiv lua stats  > runtime: 39.711 seconds
> 
> The fonts *are* large, and my computer is quite old, so it could be
> a hardware problem, but I'm wondering a bit about the message
> 
>> otf reader      > invalid index in single format 1: 65353 -> 67212
sure, but afaiks that's taken care of, but it still loads ... so given 
the computer maybe a memory issue? can you run with the task manager 
open? it does need some mem when serializing so maybe your virtual mem 
is not enough?

the first time caching takes some 23 sec on my (also not that new) 
machine but after that loading takes way less time (some .4 sec)

maybe use the ttc files instead: sourcehansans-normal.ttc

Hans


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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:39 AM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
> the first time caching takes some 23 sec on my (also not that new)
> machine but after that loading takes way less time (some .4 sec)
>
>
same results here for texlive 2018 on linux64bit
Without cache
system          | total runtime: 23.496 seconds
Withcache
system          | total runtime: 1.515 seconds

No problem with context  texlive 2018 & context with latest experimental

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Ulrike Fischer]

Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:36:40 +0200 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Note, however, that the luatex process tops out at nearly 3GB RAM
> use while generating the cached version, which could be a problem
> on 32-bit operating systems.

I have a 64bit OS and 8GB RAM. According to the task manager luatex
itself is 32bit. 

Are you using a 64bit luatex? 

Is there one for context minimals? And if yes, how could I install
and activate it?

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:15 PM Ulrike Fischer <news3@nililand.de> wrote:

> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:36:40 +0200 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>
> > Note, however, that the luatex process tops out at nearly 3GB RAM
> > use while generating the cached version, which could be a problem
> > on 32-bit operating systems.
>
> I have a 64bit OS and 8GB RAM. According to the task manager luatex
> itself is 32bit.
>
> Are you using a 64bit luatex?
>
> Is there one for context minimals? And if yes, how could I install
> and activate it?
>

w32tex by Akira Kakuto ?

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Taco Hoekwater]

> On 19 Sep 2018, at 12:20, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:15 PM Ulrike Fischer <news3@nililand.de> wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:36:40 +0200 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
> > Note, however, that the luatex process tops out at nearly 3GB RAM
> > use while generating the cached version, which could be a problem
> > on 32-bit operating systems.
> 
> I have a 64bit OS and 8GB RAM. According to the task manager luatex
> itself is 32bit. 
> 
> Are you using a 64bit luatex? 

Yes, but I am on macos.

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Hans Hagen]

On 9/19/2018 12:15 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:36:40 +0200 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
>> Note, however, that the luatex process tops out at nearly 3GB RAM
>> use while generating the cached version, which could be a problem
>> on 32-bit operating systems.
> 
> I have a 64bit OS and 8GB RAM. According to the task manager luatex
> itself is 32bit.
> 
> Are you using a 64bit luatex?
> 
> Is there one for context minimals? And if yes, how could I install
> and activate it?
when you install the context distribution from the garden it should load 64

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Ulrike Fischer]

Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:22:40 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:

>> Is there one for context minimals? And if yes, how could I install
>> and activate it?

> when you install the context distribution from the garden it should load 64

It doesn't on my PC, there is only a texmf-mswin, but I checked on
another and there I have a texmf-mswin64, and my example compiles. 

I guess I should reinstall context here, probably it is too old and
never got the 64bit binaries. 
 

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Ulrike Fischer]

Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:50:37 +0200 schrieb Ulrike Fischer:


> I guess I should reinstall context here, probably it is too old and
> never got the 64bit binaries.

I did reinstall context and now a 64bit luatex is used on my pc too
and the problem is gone. 

I also installed a 64bit luatex for texlive and now the font can
also be used with latex.

The first time for me that a 64bit application makes really a
difference ;-). 

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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 17:47, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:50:37 +0200 schrieb Ulrike Fischer:
>
> > I guess I should reinstall context here, probably it is too old and
> > never got the 64bit binaries.
>
> I did reinstall context and now a 64bit luatex is used on my pc too
> and the problem is gone.
>
> I also installed a 64bit luatex for texlive and now the font can
> also be used with latex.
>
> The first time for me that a 64bit application makes really a
> difference ;-).

I didn't look at the font itself, but if a font requires more than 3
GB of memory to be able to load it, I would suspect something
suspicious (either inefficient storing of data, semi-recursive
behaviour – that did happen with one basically "empty" font in the
past, memory leak, ... or at least some inefficient design at some
point).

But it makes a strong argument for inclusion of 64-bit binaries into TeX Live :)

Mojca
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Re: Using the source han sans fonts fails

[Hans Hagen]

On 9/21/2018 9:01 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 17:47, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
>> Am Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:50:37 +0200 schrieb Ulrike Fischer:
>>
>>> I guess I should reinstall context here, probably it is too old and
>>> never got the 64bit binaries.
>>
>> I did reinstall context and now a 64bit luatex is used on my pc too
>> and the problem is gone.
>>
>> I also installed a 64bit luatex for texlive and now the font can
>> also be used with latex.
>>
>> The first time for me that a 64bit application makes really a
>> difference ;-).
> 
> I didn't look at the font itself, but if a font requires more than 3
> GB of memory to be able to load it, I would suspect something
> suspicious (either inefficient storing of data, semi-recursive
> behaviour – that did happen with one basically "empty" font in the
> past, memory leak, ... or at least some inefficient design at some
> point).

these fonts are huge ... and memory usage in lua can be large as 
allocations doubles when more is needed, but in the end the font gets 
stored quite efficient in the cache, so it's a one-time memory usage

> But it makes a strong argument for inclusion of 64-bit binaries into TeX Live :)
we have them on the garden for ages so i see no reason for them not 
being in texlive

Hans


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