[NTG-context] (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[NTG-context] (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Felix]

https://pastebin.com/Cg8ZPDVK

I have the code listed above and I am wondering how I can get CJK text to be in a vertical form (along with Vietnamese. I know l2r as an option exists in startalignment, but there seems to not be a vertical equivalent for vertical text. How do I achieve this?
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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/6/2024 8:40 PM, Felix wrote:
> https://pastebin.com/Cg8ZPDVK
> 
> I have the code listed above and I am wondering how I can get CJK text to be in a vertical form (along with Vietnamese. I know l2r as an option exists in startalignment, but there seems to not be a vertical equivalent for vertical text. How do I achieve this?

there is something mentioned in followingup-directions.tex

i removed top to bottom directions from luametatex because it made no 
sense; one cannot do vertical typesettign without also looking at the 
layout and other things

instead of directions we do rotation at the glyph level and such which 
has less interference and more flexible

but ... i haven't looked at it recently (could be broken by other 
features) as there is little demand for it

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[luigi scarso]

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 at 09:10, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
wrote:

> On 10/6/2024 8:40 PM, Felix wrote:
> > https://pastebin.com/Cg8ZPDVK
> >
> > I have the code listed above and I am wondering how I can get CJK text
> to be in a vertical form (along with Vietnamese. I know l2r as an option
> exists in startalignment, but there seems to not be a vertical equivalent
> for vertical text. How do I achieve this?
>
> there is something mentioned in followingup-directions.tex
>
> i removed top to bottom directions from luametatex because it made no
> sense; one cannot do vertical typesettign without also looking at the
> layout and other things
>
> instead of directions we do rotation at the glyph level and such which
> has less interference and more flexible
>
> but ... i haven't looked at it recently (could be broken by other
> features) as there is little demand for it
>
> Hans
>
>
For japanese, I think that the only reference for luatex (actually
lualatex) is
https://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/luatex/generic/luatexja

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luigi

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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Florent Michel]

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Hi,

Out of curiosity, I tried compiling the followingup manual with ConTeXt
LMTX 2024.09.25. I did not check the whole manual, but section 6 seems to
render fine as far as I can tell, up to two small issues (not sure whether
they are due to changes in ConTeXt or to font issues on my side):

* I had to replace NotoSansCJKtc-VF with the name of the font file
(NotoSansCJK-Regular.ttc) in followingup-directions.tex . (I suspect that
may be due to my system not having the ‘right’ font installed.

* The glyphs are not rotated in Figure 6.12. Figure 6.11 looks correct,
though.

So at least one of the methods mentioned in
followingup-directions.tex seems to work with the latest version of ConTeXt
LMTX.

Cheers,
Florent

Le lun. 7 oct. 2024 à 08:10, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
a écrit :

> On 10/6/2024 8:40 PM, Felix wrote:
> > https://pastebin.com/Cg8ZPDVK
> >
> > I have the code listed above and I am wondering how I can get CJK text
> to be in a vertical form (along with Vietnamese. I know l2r as an option
> exists in startalignment, but there seems to not be a vertical equivalent
> for vertical text. How do I achieve this?
>
> there is something mentioned in followingup-directions.tex
>
> i removed top to bottom directions from luametatex because it made no
> sense; one cannot do vertical typesettign without also looking at the
> layout and other things
>
> instead of directions we do rotation at the glyph level and such which
> has less interference and more flexible
>
> but ... i haven't looked at it recently (could be broken by other
> features) as there is little demand for it
>
> Hans
>
>
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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Felix]

Where does one find this "followingup-directions.tex"? The only thing I am aware of existing is the ConTeXt wiki. It is very hard to navigate through this language's resources for me, perhaps that is due to this being the 'first' language I am truly trying to learn without the help of AI like I did with LaTeX. searching for followingup-directions.tex in context wiki shows nothing.
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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/7/2024 9:12 PM, Felix wrote:
> Where does one find this "followingup-directions.tex"? The only thing I am aware of existing is the ConTeXt wiki. It is very hard to navigate through this language's resources for me, perhaps that is due to this being the 'first' language I am truly trying to learn without the help of AI like I did with LaTeX. searching for followingup-directions.tex in context wiki shows nothing.

better trust your own intelligence ...

these documents are in the distribution under the doc tree

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.10.24 um 21:12 schrieb Felix:
> Where does one find this "followingup-directions.tex"? The only thing I am aware of existing is the ConTeXt wiki. It is very hard to navigate through this language's resources for me, perhaps that is due to this being the 'first' language I am truly trying to learn without the help of AI like I did with LaTeX. searching for followingup-directions.tex in context wiki shows nothing.

"followingup.pdf" is a manual in the distribution*, "directions" is one 
chapter.
But the code shown is very low level, probably not suitable for 
productive typesetting.

*) in texmf-context/doc/context/documents/general/manuals

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024, Felix wrote:

> Where does one find this "followingup-directions.tex"? The only thing I am aware of existing is the ConTeXt wiki. It is very hard to navigate through this language's resources for me, perhaps that is due to this being the 'first' language I am truly trying to learn without the help of AI like I did with LaTeX. searching for followingup-directions.tex in context wiki shows nothing.

See the list of manuals and documentation:
https://www.pragma-ade.nl/overview.htm

The followingup manual is here:
https://www.pragma-ade.nl/general/manuals/followingup.pdf#page=29.07

Aditya
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[NTG-context] Re: (ConTeXt LMTX) (Beginner) how do i set up vertical CJK?

[黄复雄]

I have an incomplete example that you can use as a basis for your goal:
https://github.com/Fusyong/luametatex-callback-playground/blob/master/vtypesetting_box.lmtx

In addition, I have made a module,
https://github.com/Fusyong/vertical-typesetting
that makes the whole page vertical. That is, you can take the PDF of
the content that needs to be vertical
and insert it into a new file.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work in the latest ConTeXt version, and Hans
promised to fix this problem.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 2:42 AM Felix <fm117575@students.panola.edu> wrote:
>
> https://pastebin.com/Cg8ZPDVK
>
> I have the code listed above and I am wondering how I can get CJK text to be in a vertical form (along with Vietnamese. I know l2r as an option exists in startalignment, but there seems to not be a vertical equivalent for vertical text. How do I achieve this?
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
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