* \externalfigure and file size
@ 2012-01-19 0:25 Kip Warner
2012-01-19 7:56 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-19 0:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hey list,
I have a number of \externalfigure commands to typeset some svg images.
This is often handy to have them vectorized because it allows for the
user to zoom in on diagrams of great detail.
In other situations, I find that for images that are not so important,
they would benefit from ConTeXt rasterizing them when they are imported.
The reason for this is I find some vector images get enormously bloated
when they are typeset. As an example, I have a Logo.svg of only 6.8 KB.
The m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf intermediate ConTeXt generates is nearly a megabyte
in size. Why? I have no idea, as they both appear to be the same image
with the same gausian blur.
Is there a flag I can pass certain instances of \externalfigure that
tells the image processing backend that a simple rasterized version of
the figure is fine? Or is there a better approach? I don't want to
pre-convert all of these images to raster formats.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 0:25 \externalfigure and file size Kip Warner @ 2012-01-19 7:56 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-01-19 23:51 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-19 8:23 ` luigi scarso 2012-01-19 10:58 ` Peter Rolf 2 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-19 7:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 01:25, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > > In other situations, I find that for images that are not so important, > they would benefit from ConTeXt rasterizing them when they are imported. > The reason for this is I find some vector images get enormously bloated > when they are typeset. As an example, I have a Logo.svg of only 6.8 KB. > The m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf intermediate ConTeXt generates is nearly a megabyte > in size. Why? I have no idea, as they both appear to be the same image > with the same gausian blur. If original svg image is 7 KB, the PDF should not be any bigger apart from the header and maybe embded fonts. However if you are using some smooth shading, it might be that the program which does the conversion is performing a poor job and converts shading into hundreds of thin strips of different colors. I would try to use a different tool for conversion into PDF (not into raster image, but into vector image) before running ConTeXt. I don't know which one, but you can try to experiment. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 7:56 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-19 23:51 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-19 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 670 bytes --] On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 08:56 +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > If original svg image is 7 KB, the PDF should not be any bigger apart > from the header and maybe embded fonts. However if you are using some > smooth shading, it might be that the program which does the conversion > is performing a poor job and converts shading into hundreds of thin > strips of different colors. I'm not sure what program is being used, as I just call context and whatever its using to take the svg specified in the \externalfigure to typeset is what it seems to be using. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 0:25 \externalfigure and file size Kip Warner 2012-01-19 7:56 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-19 8:23 ` luigi scarso 2012-01-19 23:52 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-19 10:58 ` Peter Rolf 2 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2012-01-19 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1166 bytes --] On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > Hey list, > > I have a number of \externalfigure commands to typeset some svg images. > This is often handy to have them vectorized because it allows for the > user to zoom in on diagrams of great detail. > > In other situations, I find that for images that are not so important, > they would benefit from ConTeXt rasterizing them when they are imported. > The reason for this is I find some vector images get enormously bloated > when they are typeset. As an example, I have a Logo.svg of only 6.8 KB. > The m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf intermediate ConTeXt generates is nearly a megabyte > in size. Why? I have no idea, as they both appear to be the same image > with the same gausian blur. > > Is there a flag I can pass certain instances of \externalfigure that > tells the image processing backend that a simple rasterized version of > the figure is fine? Or is there a better approach? I don't want to > pre-convert all of these images to raster formats. > > ConTeXt uses inkscape, iirc. So try to see what inkscape says about your file. If you are under linux, you can also use rsvg . -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1521 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 8:23 ` luigi scarso @ 2012-01-19 23:52 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:51 ` Marco 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-19 23:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 409 bytes --] On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 09:23 +0100, luigi scarso wrote: > ConTeXt uses inkscape, iirc. So try to see what inkscape says about your > file. Are you sure about that? ConTeXt doesn't seem to list inkscape as a dependency on my distro: apt-cache show context* | grep -i inkscape (gives nothing) -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 23:52 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:51 ` Marco 2012-01-20 1:02 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 9:08 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-20 0:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-19 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 09:23 +0100, luigi scarso wrote: > > ConTeXt uses inkscape, iirc. So try to see what inkscape says about your > > file. > > Are you sure about that? Yes: strace -f context t 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep inkscape | grep execve […] [pid 14816] execve("/usr/bin/inkscape", ["inkscape", "/home/marco/Temp/fig.svg", "--export-dpi=600", "-A", "/home/marco/Temp/m_k_i_v_fi"...], […] > ConTeXt doesn't seem to list inkscape as a dependency on > my distro: Inkscape should not be a dependency of ConTeXt. 99.9% work very well without inkscape. But it could be mentioned as a “Recommendation”, as a hint that its installation would increase the functionality. > apt-cache show context* | grep -i inkscape > (gives nothing) Blame the distributor. Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:51 ` Marco @ 2012-01-20 1:02 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 9:08 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 1:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 314 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 01:51 +0100, Marco wrote: > Blame the distributor. I just forwarded your observation to the package maintainer. Should be straightforward to solve with a line in debian/control. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:51 ` Marco 2012-01-20 1:02 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 9:08 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-20 23:05 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 23:48 ` Wagner Macedo 1 sibling, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-20 9:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco On 20-1-2012 01:51, Marco wrote: >> ConTeXt doesn't seem to list inkscape as a dependency on >> my distro: > > Inkscape should not be a dependency of ConTeXt. 99.9% work > very well without inkscape. But it could be mentioned as a > “Recommendation”, as a hint that its installation would > increase the functionality. There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 9:08 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-20 23:05 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-21 0:07 ` Hans Hagen ` (2 more replies) 2012-01-20 23:48 ` Wagner Macedo 1 sibling, 3 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 548 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: > There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to > get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some > depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no > dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint. So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 23:05 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-21 0:07 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-21 0:12 ` luigi scarso 2012-01-24 23:28 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-21 0:21 ` Marco [not found] ` <20120121012234.1553b814@homerow> 2 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kip Warner; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 21-1-2012 00:05, Kip Warner wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: >> There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to >> get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some >> depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no >> dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint. > > So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it > always use inkscape, or only sometimes? no, png, jpg and pdf are supported directly (as is mp) but fo rother formats it will either try to find a replacement (there is a whole chain of lookups) or it will try to run one of the configured converters ... with \enabletrackers[graphics.*] you can see what happens ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:07 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 0:12 ` luigi scarso 2012-01-21 0:15 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-24 23:28 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2012-01-21 0:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 896 bytes --] On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 21-1-2012 00:05, Kip Warner wrote: > >> On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: >> >>> There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to >>> get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some >>> depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no >>> dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint. >>> >> >> So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it >> always use inkscape, or only sometimes? >> > > no, png, jpg and pdf are supported directly (as is mp) but fo rother > formats it will either try to find a replacement (there is a whole chain of > lookups) or it will try to run one of the configured converters ... with > and swf, even if I have not full tested (basically you can test only with acroreader 10) -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1430 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:12 ` luigi scarso @ 2012-01-21 0:15 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 0:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 21-1-2012 01:12, luigi scarso wrote: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > >> On 21-1-2012 00:05, Kip Warner wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> >>>> There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to >>>> get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some >>>> depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no >>>> dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint. >>>> >>> >>> So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it >>> always use inkscape, or only sometimes? >>> >> >> no, png, jpg and pdf are supported directly (as is mp) but fo rother >> formats it will either try to find a replacement (there is a whole chain of >> lookups) or it will try to run one of the configured converters ... with >> > and swf, even if I have not full tested (basically you can test only with > acroreader 10) sure, a few of those 'supported media types' are also dealt with (in fact I think that one can embed svg in a pdf document given some plugin Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:07 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-21 0:12 ` luigi scarso @ 2012-01-24 23:28 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-24 23:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 527 bytes --] On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:07 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: > no, png, jpg and pdf are supported directly (as is mp) but fo rother > formats it will either try to find a replacement (there is a whole chain > of lookups) or it will try to run one of the configured converters ... with > > \enabletrackers[graphics.*] > > you can see what happens I tried the above command and it didn't appear to do anything. =( -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 23:05 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-21 0:07 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 0:21 ` Marco [not found] ` <20120121012234.1553b814@homerow> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-21 0:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? > Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes? If the image type is supported by the TeX engine (jpeg, png, pdf, mps) it is directly included. SVG files inkscape is called to convert the SVG to PDF. For EPS images ghostscript is used: strace results: execve("/usr/bin/gs", ["gs", "-q", "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite", "-dNOPAUSE", "-dNOCACHE", "-dBATCH", "-dAutoRotatePages=/None", "-dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress", "-dEPSCrop", "-sOutputFile=m_k_i_v_graph.pdf", "graph.eps", "-c", "quit"], [/* 55 vars */]) Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
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* Re: \externalfigure and file size [not found] ` <20120121012234.1553b814@homerow> @ 2012-01-21 0:27 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-21 0:40 ` Marco ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-21 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 967 bytes --] On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:22 +0100, Marco wrote: > On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > > > So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? > > Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes? > > If the image type is supported by the TeX engine (jpeg, > png, pdf, mps) it is directly included. SVG files inkscape > is called to convert the SVG to PDF. For EPS images > ghostscript is used: > > strace results: > > execve("/usr/bin/gs", ["gs", "-q", "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite", > "-dNOPAUSE", "-dNOCACHE", "-dBATCH", > "-dAutoRotatePages=/None", "-dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress", > "-dEPSCrop", "-sOutputFile=m_k_i_v_graph.pdf", > "graph.eps", "-c", "quit"], [/* 55 vars */]) Right, but since the average end user probably won't know that, doesn't that still suggest Inkscape be listed as a dependency? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:27 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-21 0:40 ` Marco 2012-01-21 0:55 ` Hans Hagen [not found] ` <20120121014245.794d515b@homerow> ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-21 0:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:22 +0100, Marco wrote: > > On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > > > > > So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? > > > Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes? > > > > If the image type is supported by the TeX engine (jpeg, > > png, pdf, mps) it is directly included. SVG files inkscape > > is called to convert the SVG to PDF. For EPS images > > ghostscript is used: > > > > strace results: > > > > execve("/usr/bin/gs", ["gs", "-q", "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite", > > "-dNOPAUSE", "-dNOCACHE", "-dBATCH", > > "-dAutoRotatePages=/None", "-dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress", > > "-dEPSCrop", "-sOutputFile=m_k_i_v_graph.pdf", > > "graph.eps", "-c", "quit"], [/* 55 vars */]) > > Right, but since the average end user probably won't know that, doesn't > that still suggest Inkscape be listed as a dependency? As I mentioned before 99.9% of the system work fine without additional programs. You need inkscape only when you want to include SVG images. Having inkscape as a dependency means a huge bunch of data and disk space (inkscape incl. all dependencies like X,…). However, these external helpers (like ghostscript as well) should be listed as a recommendation or suggestion [not as dependency]). In that case the user is notified that he/she might get a benefit installing these programs. Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:40 ` Marco @ 2012-01-21 0:55 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-21 13:32 ` Marco 2012-01-24 0:33 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 0:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco On 21-1-2012 01:40, Marco wrote: > However, these external helpers (like ghostscript as well) > should be listed as a recommendation or suggestion [not as > dependency]). In that case the user is notified that > he/she might get a benefit installing these programs. maybe a wiki page is a good start for that ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:55 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 13:32 ` Marco 2012-01-24 0:33 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-21 13:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-21 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 21-1-2012 01:40, Marco wrote: > > > However, these external helpers (like ghostscript as well) > > should be listed as a recommendation or suggestion [not as > > dependency]). In that case the user is notified that > > he/she might get a benefit installing these programs. > > maybe a wiki page is a good start for that I added the list you provided in the other post to the Dependency section on the installer page. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone#Dependencies Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:55 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-21 13:32 ` Marco @ 2012-01-24 0:33 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-24 0:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 227 bytes --] On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:55 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: > maybe a wiki page is a good start for that Strongly agree. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
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* Re: \externalfigure and file size [not found] ` <20120121014245.794d515b@homerow> @ 2012-01-21 0:45 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-21 0:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Reviczky Adam [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1801 bytes --] On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:42 +0100, Marco wrote: > On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:22 +0100, Marco wrote: > > > On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? > > > > Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes? > > > > > > If the image type is supported by the TeX engine (jpeg, > > > png, pdf, mps) it is directly included. SVG files inkscape > > > is called to convert the SVG to PDF. For EPS images > > > ghostscript is used: > > > > > > strace results: > > > > > > execve("/usr/bin/gs", ["gs", "-q", "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite", > > > "-dNOPAUSE", "-dNOCACHE", "-dBATCH", > > > "-dAutoRotatePages=/None", "-dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress", > > > "-dEPSCrop", "-sOutputFile=m_k_i_v_graph.pdf", > > > "graph.eps", "-c", "quit"], [/* 55 vars */]) > > > > Right, but since the average end user probably won't know that, doesn't > > that still suggest Inkscape be listed as a dependency? > > No, not as dependency. As I mentioned before 99.9% of the > system work fine without additional programs. You need > inkscape only when you want to include SVG images. Having > inkscape as a dependency means a huge bunch of data and > disk space (inkscape incl. all dependencies like X,¿). > > However, these external helpers (like ghostscript as well) > should be listed as a recommendation [not dependency]), > that way the user is notified that he/she might get a > benefit installing these programs. > > Marco > Understood. I've copied the package maintainer for a popular ConTeXt Ubuntu PPA. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:27 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-21 0:40 ` Marco [not found] ` <20120121014245.794d515b@homerow> @ 2012-01-21 0:54 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-21 3:31 ` Wagner Macedo 2012-01-24 0:17 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-21 1:46 ` luigi scarso 3 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 0:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Kip Warner, Marco On 21-1-2012 01:27, Kip Warner wrote: > On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:22 +0100, Marco wrote: >> On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner<kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: >> >>> So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? >>> Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes? >> >> If the image type is supported by the TeX engine (jpeg, >> png, pdf, mps) it is directly included. SVG files inkscape >> is called to convert the SVG to PDF. For EPS images >> ghostscript is used: >> >> strace results: >> >> execve("/usr/bin/gs", ["gs", "-q", "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite", >> "-dNOPAUSE", "-dNOCACHE", "-dBATCH", >> "-dAutoRotatePages=/None", "-dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress", >> "-dEPSCrop", "-sOutputFile=m_k_i_v_graph.pdf", >> "graph.eps", "-c", "quit"], [/* 55 vars */]) > > Right, but since the average end user probably won't know that, doesn't > that still suggest Inkscape be listed as a dependency? no, because not all users use svg (just an not all users use fonts defined in type-* files) and also because inkscape is close to impossible to install without x present which would render context 'unuseable due to a depency not being resolved' (in fact there is then also a dependency on a viewer) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:54 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 3:31 ` Wagner Macedo 2012-01-21 9:40 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-24 0:44 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-24 0:17 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-21 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 804 bytes --] On Debian Packages, at least, we can declare, basically, 3 levels of dependencies, according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps 1) Depends - absolute dependency. Or else, packages that is strictly necessary to works well. 2) Recommends - strong, but not absolute dependency. 3) Suggests - used to declare that one package may be more useful with one or more others. So, I think Inkscape would fit well as 'context' Suggests. -- Wagner Macedo On 20 January 2012 21:54, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > no, because not all users use svg (just an not all users use fonts defined > in type-* files) and also because inkscape is close to impossible to > install without x present which would render context 'unuseable due to a > depency not being resolved' [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1183 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 3:31 ` Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-21 9:40 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-24 0:44 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 9:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 21-1-2012 04:31, Wagner Macedo wrote: > On Debian Packages, at least, we can declare, basically, 3 levels of > dependencies, according to > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps > > 1) Depends - absolute dependency. Or else, packages that is strictly > necessary to works well. > 2) Recommends - strong, but not absolute dependency. > 3) Suggests - used to declare that one package may be more useful with one > or more others. > > So, I think Inkscape would fit well as 'context' Suggests. so in fact that would then be a list of programs that are optionally called from within context: ghostscript : for converting ps images to pdf graphicmagick : for converting gif and tif inkscape : for converting svg(z) zint : for providing barcodes curl : for some remote content pstoedit : converts ps to mp outlines maybe I forget a few. (btw, does anyone know if installing x-less inkscape on linux is an option some day) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 3:31 ` Wagner Macedo 2012-01-21 9:40 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-24 0:44 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-24 0:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Reviczky Adam [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 729 bytes --] On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 00:31 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote: > On Debian Packages, at least, we can declare, basically, 3 levels of > dependencies, according to > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps > > 1) Depends - absolute dependency. Or else, packages that is strictly > necessary to works well. > 2) Recommends - strong, but not absolute dependency. > 3) Suggests - used to declare that one package may be more useful with one > or more others. > > So, I think Inkscape would fit well as 'context' Suggests. > > -- > Wagner Macedo Copied the package maintainer. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:54 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-21 3:31 ` Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-24 0:17 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-24 11:13 ` Marco [not found] ` <20120124121433.57a167f4@homerow> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-24 0:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Marco [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 587 bytes --] On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 01:54 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: > no, because not all users use svg (just an not all users use fonts > defined in type-* files) and also because inkscape is close to > impossible to install without x present which would render context > 'unuseable due to a depency not being resolved' > > (in fact there is then also a dependency on a viewer) If Inkscape isn't installed and the user \externalfigure's an SVG, is an error raised with ConTeXt? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-24 0:17 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-24 11:13 ` Marco [not found] ` <20120124121433.57a167f4@homerow> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-24 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-23 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > If Inkscape isn't installed and the user > \externalfigure's an SVG, is an error raised with > ConTeXt? Yes and no. An error is raised, but no hint that inkscape is missing. ConTeXt says: !LuaTeX error: cannot find image file 'm_k_i_v_pic.pdf' ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 70 It assumes that the conversion was successful and the converted file is present, that's at least what I read from the error message. A more user friendly error message would be: !LuaTeX error: cannot find inkscape to convert image file 'pic.svg' ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
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* Re: \externalfigure and file size [not found] ` <20120124121433.57a167f4@homerow> @ 2012-01-24 23:20 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-24 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 354 bytes --] On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 12:14 +0100, Marco wrote: > A more user friendly error message > would be: > > !LuaTeX error: cannot find inkscape to convert image file 'pic.svg' > ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! Agreed. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-21 0:27 ` Kip Warner ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2012-01-21 0:54 ` Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-21 1:46 ` luigi scarso 3 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2012-01-21 1:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1721 bytes --] On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > > Right, but since the average end user probably won't know that, doesn't > that still suggest Inkscape be listed as a dependency? > > hm, no. Suppose this situation: me and you agree on a context beta version and a pdf reader and you send me your tex file with 1) a png/jpeg image or a pdf file as externalfigure. Then my pdf and your pdf must be the same, and on average the reader will show the same result. Otherwise probably is a bug. 2) a swf. Then my pdf and your pdf must be the same, but probably the reader will not show the same result -- basically only acroread is able to show swf inside a pdf, and it depends to the OS and version 3) a svg image. PDF spec. doesn't support SVG, so we must also agree on the same program to convert the svg into a bitmap or vector image, and this is a problem: as you have seen, the conversion require a bit of experience. After all, it's not strange if inkscape 0.40 and 0.48 display the same svg in different way --- and the same for the pdfs. Actually, only an expert user can use inkscape to automatically convert an svg to pdf/png without (appreciable) errors, and this kind of user is also able to install the correct version of inkscape (which is much easier to install under windows then linux,btw). So, if you are creating a svg by tourself, it's better to check that the pdf and png are the same if you want to be sure that your image will be printed/display correctly --- there aren't so many programs that completely support the svg standard. ConTeXt then helps this kind of expert user because they are able "a priori" to understand if a svg image is problematic or not . -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2189 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 9:08 ` Hans Hagen 2012-01-20 23:05 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 23:48 ` Wagner Macedo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-20 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 437 bytes --] I just tested now. With Inkscape 0.48.2 r9819, I could do the conversion job on pure console. But, on the other hand, as nothing is perfect, to install Inkscape, it's needed many X dependencies. On 20 January 2012 06:08, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to > get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some depedency > on X (last time I tried). [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 667 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 0:25 \externalfigure and file size Kip Warner 2012-01-19 7:56 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-01-19 8:23 ` luigi scarso @ 2012-01-19 10:58 ` Peter Rolf 2012-01-20 0:01 ` Kip Warner 2 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Peter Rolf @ 2012-01-19 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Am 19.01.2012 01:25, schrieb Kip Warner: > Hey list, > > I have a number of \externalfigure commands to typeset some svg images. > This is often handy to have them vectorized because it allows for the > user to zoom in on diagrams of great detail. > > In other situations, I find that for images that are not so important, > they would benefit from ConTeXt rasterizing them when they are imported. > The reason for this is I find some vector images get enormously bloated > when they are typeset. As an example, I have a Logo.svg of only 6.8 KB. > The m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf intermediate ConTeXt generates is nearly a megabyte > in size. Why? I have no idea, as they both appear to be the same image > with the same gausian blur. > Probably because the exported PDF contains a raster image (at least the blured part). If you use Inkscape to save your SVG logo as PDF, you will see a dialog box with an option for this (rasterize filter effects). Remove the hook and you'll get a small, but unblured PDF graphic. Best wishes, Peter ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-19 10:58 ` Peter Rolf @ 2012-01-20 0:01 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:07 ` Pontus Lurcock ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 777 bytes --] On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:58 +0100, Peter Rolf wrote: > Probably because the exported PDF contains a raster image (at least the > blured part). If you use Inkscape to save your SVG logo as PDF, you will > see a dialog box with an option for this (rasterize filter effects). > Remove the hook and you'll get a small, but unblured PDF graphic. Hey Peter. The original SVG is about 7KB. With rasterize off and exported to PDF, its under 2KB. With rasterize on, its still only 78KB. Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. Something's up. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:01 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:07 ` Pontus Lurcock 2012-01-20 0:23 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:13 ` Wagner Macedo ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-01-20 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Thu 19 Jan 2012, Kip Warner wrote: > Hey Peter. The original SVG is about 7KB. With rasterize off and > exported to PDF, its under 2KB. With rasterize on, its still only 78KB. > Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a > meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate > m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. Something's up. What happens if you convert it directly using inkscape --export-pdf? Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:07 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-01-20 0:23 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:45 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Pontus Lurcock [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 259 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:07 +1300, Pontus Lurcock wrote: > What happens if you convert it directly using inkscape --export-pdf? Still only 78 KB. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:23 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:45 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-01-20 0:50 ` Pontus Lurcock 2012-01-20 1:26 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-20 0:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 01:23, Kip Warner wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:07 +1300, Pontus Lurcock wrote: >> What happens if you convert it directly using inkscape --export-pdf? > > Still only 78 KB. Does it come out the way you expect it to? If yes, use that. None of my tools are able to export this into an usable PDF (I didn't try to install Inkscape though). But it is also true that I'm not 100 % sure if PDF knows anything about the "gaussian blur". Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:45 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-20 0:50 ` Pontus Lurcock 2012-01-20 1:26 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-01-20 0:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Fri 20 Jan 2012, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > None of my tools are able to export this into an usable PDF (I didn't > try to install Inkscape though). But it is also true that I'm not 100 > % sure if PDF knows anything about the "gaussian blur". I think this is the root of the problem: inkscape rasterizes it to reproduce the blur in PDF, and explicitly setting the DPI to a high value produces the huge file. Discussed at: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9551 http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.47#PDF.2C_PostScript.2C_and_EPS_export Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:45 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-01-20 0:50 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-01-20 1:26 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 1:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 655 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 01:45 +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Does it come out the way you expect it to? If yes, use that. Visually, yes, it's fine. In terms of size, no its not the way I expect. > None of my tools are able to export this into an usable PDF (I didn't > try to install Inkscape though). But it is also true that I'm not 100 > % sure if PDF knows anything about the "gaussian blur". I think you've hit the nail on the head. I think the problem is the PDF format chokes on the Gaussian blur and so it has to rasterize it. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:01 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:07 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-01-20 0:13 ` Wagner Macedo 2012-01-20 0:23 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:14 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2012-01-20 0:21 ` Marco 3 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-20 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 479 bytes --] It would be good if you attach the svg file. Could you do this? -- Wagner Macedo On 19 January 2012 21:01, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > Hey Peter. The original SVG is about 7KB. With rasterize off and > exported to PDF, its under 2KB. With rasterize on, its still only 78KB. > Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a > meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate > m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. Something's up. > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 778 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:13 ` Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-20 0:23 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:43 ` Pontus Lurcock [not found] ` <CAKGY2Pk_pXNNcks+EaEg0fLYh2ENtb3Cas13duoxihr654vQnQ@mail.gmail.com> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 417 bytes --] On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 21:13 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote: > It would be good if you attach the svg file. > > Could you do this? Hey Wagner. No problem. http://www.thevertigo.com/temp/Pic.svg Try typesetting it with an \externalfigure and check the file size of the intermediate that's generated. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:23 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:43 ` Pontus Lurcock [not found] ` <CAKGY2Pk_pXNNcks+EaEg0fLYh2ENtb3Cas13duoxihr654vQnQ@mail.gmail.com> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-01-20 0:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Thu 19 Jan 2012, Kip Warner wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 21:13 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote: > > It would be good if you attach the svg file. > > > > Could you do this? > > Hey Wagner. No problem. > > http://www.thevertigo.com/temp/Pic.svg My PDF file sizes (using 2011.10.01 10:48): ConTeXt : 978k inkscape -A : 75k inkscape --export-dpi=600 -A : 978k So it seems that the dpi parameter passed by ConTeXt to Inkscape is responsible for the huge size increase. Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
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* Re: \externalfigure and file size [not found] ` <CAKGY2Pk_pXNNcks+EaEg0fLYh2ENtb3Cas13duoxihr654vQnQ@mail.gmail.com> @ 2012-01-20 0:51 ` Kip Warner [not found] ` <CAKGY2Pk8TC8cJUEDvy5HhaS0NvbLmFcYvS3d6Es7vzUpa63ADg@mail.gmail.com> 2012-01-20 1:03 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 2 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 0:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wagner Macedo; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 625 bytes --] On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 21:49 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote: > Well, as I can see, the "problem" is inkscape switch --export-dpi which in > grph-inc.lua has the value 600. I get same file size using inkscape -A > --export-dpi=600. > > But exporting this file (Pic.svg) without a great dpi (minimum 300) I get > an ugly file, very sharpened where has filters. But why should there be any implicit DPI specified with a vector graphic? Isn't the whole point of them to allow, theoretically, infinite resolution? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
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* Re: \externalfigure and file size [not found] ` <CAKGY2Pk8TC8cJUEDvy5HhaS0NvbLmFcYvS3d6Es7vzUpa63ADg@mail.gmail.com> @ 2012-01-20 1:01 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 1:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wagner Macedo; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 350 bytes --] On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 21:59 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote: > Because filters. > > According to > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.47#PDF.2C_PostScript.2C_and_EPS_export, > sent by Pontus Lurcock. Thanks Wagner. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:51 ` Kip Warner [not found] ` <CAKGY2Pk8TC8cJUEDvy5HhaS0NvbLmFcYvS3d6Es7vzUpa63ADg@mail.gmail.com> @ 2012-01-20 1:03 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-01-20 1:30 ` Kip Warner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-20 1:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 01:51, Kip Warner wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 21:49 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote: >> Well, as I can see, the "problem" is inkscape switch --export-dpi which in >> grph-inc.lua has the value 600. I get same file size using inkscape -A >> --export-dpi=600. >> >> But exporting this file (Pic.svg) without a great dpi (minimum 300) I get >> an ugly file, very sharpened where has filters. > > But why should there be any implicit DPI specified with a vector > graphic? Isn't the whole point of them to allow, theoretically, infinite > resolution? Yes, but this is only true as long as your graphic can be represented reliably in the target format. And yours cannot. It is like asking for conversion of a vector image of a circle into a target format that only supports straight lines (also vector format, but without support for splines). http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9551 If this is your own graphic, you need to alter it in such a way that it will be representable with what PDF is capable of doing. See the chapter on smooth shading. You can do a lot with that, but it might require a bit of extra effort (and then maybe hunting developers to fix rendering bugs; Apple doesn't know how to render smooth shading properly and even used to crash). Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 1:03 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-01-20 1:30 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 8:55 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 1:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 401 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 02:03 +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Yes, but this is only true as long as your graphic can be represented > reliably in the target format. And yours cannot. Hey Mojca. Yes, that makes sense now. I had assumed incorrectly that PDF implemented everything SVG does. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 1:30 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 8:55 ` luigi scarso 2012-01-20 23:04 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2012-01-20 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 516 bytes --] On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 02:03 +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > Yes, but this is only true as long as your graphic can be represented > > reliably in the target format. And yours cannot. > > Hey Mojca. Yes, that makes sense now. I had assumed incorrectly that PDF > implemented everything SVG does. > > You can also try the reverse way with ipe http://ipe7.sourceforge.net/ and then convert the pdf in svg with inkscape or iperender -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 873 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 8:55 ` luigi scarso @ 2012-01-20 23:04 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 23:36 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 23:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 320 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:55 +0100, luigi scarso wrote: > You can also try the reverse way with ipe > http://ipe7.sourceforge.net/ > and then convert the pdf in svg with inkscape or iperender Thanks Luigi. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 23:04 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 23:36 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2012-01-20 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 361 bytes --] On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:55 +0100, luigi scarso wrote: > > You can also try the reverse way with ipe > > http://ipe7.sourceforge.net/ > > and then convert the pdf in svg with inkscape or iperender > > Thanks Luigi. > Uh uh .. I forget Metapost. Metapost can ouput svg files. -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 764 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:01 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:07 ` Pontus Lurcock 2012-01-20 0:13 ` Wagner Macedo @ 2012-01-20 0:14 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2012-01-20 1:24 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 0:21 ` Marco 3 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2012-01-20 0:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 20.01.2012 um 01:01 schrieb Kip Warner: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:58 +0100, Peter Rolf wrote: >> Probably because the exported PDF contains a raster image (at least the >> blured part). If you use Inkscape to save your SVG logo as PDF, you will >> see a dialog box with an option for this (rasterize filter effects). >> Remove the hook and you'll get a small, but unblured PDF graphic. > > Hey Peter. The original SVG is about 7KB. With rasterize off and > exported to PDF, its under 2KB. With rasterize on, its still only 78KB. > Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a > meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate > m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. Something's up. When you look into graph-inc.lua you can see that context use inkscape <oldname> --export-dpi=600 -A <newname> to convert the svg to pdf. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:14 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2012-01-20 1:24 ` Kip Warner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 715 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 01:14 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > When you look into graph-inc.lua you can see that context use > > inkscape <oldname> --export-dpi=600 -A <newname> > > to convert the svg to pdf. Hey Wolfgang. Why does a vector image need to be rasterized in a PDF, I guess is what I'm still confused with? It seems like DPI is a concept applicable only to rasterized graphics. Or is it that the PDF backend is normally fine with vector graphics, it's just that this one in particular contains a Gaussian blur that it has to rasterize because it cannot dynamically reproduce? -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:01 ` Kip Warner ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2012-01-20 0:14 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2012-01-20 0:21 ` Marco 2012-01-20 1:21 ` Kip Warner 3 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-20 0:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-19 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a > meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate > m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. I had similar issues some weeks ago. A workaround was to use \pdfcompresslevel9 You can also try \maximumpdfcompression, which is apparently preferred (see some recent thread on the list). Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 0:21 ` Marco @ 2012-01-20 1:21 ` Kip Warner 2012-01-20 10:18 ` Marco 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 1:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 621 bytes --] On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 01:21 +0100, Marco wrote: > I had similar issues some weeks ago. A workaround > was to use \pdfcompresslevel9 You can also try > \maximumpdfcompression, which is apparently preferred > (see some recent thread on the list). > > Marco Thanks Marco. It went from 9.9 MB to 9.5 MB. It's a small delta, but still helpful. On a related note, what is the difference between these three statements? \setupbackend[level=9] \pdfcompresslevel9 \maximumpdfcompression -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com [-- Attachment #1.2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 1:21 ` Kip Warner @ 2012-01-20 10:18 ` Marco 2012-01-20 10:26 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 52+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2012-01-20 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2012-01-19 Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote: > On a related note, what is the difference between these > three statements? > > \setupbackend[level=9] I have no idea, I never used it. > \pdfcompresslevel9 AFAIK it compresses the text objects. 9 is maximum compression. It's a low level command. > \maximumpdfcompression \normalprotected\def\maximumpdfcompression{% \pdfobjcompresslevel\plusnine \pdfcompresslevel\plusnine } Sets the text and object compression to the maximum value (which is 9). The command is considered to be a higher level command, see http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20111229.184755.b0199f53.en.html Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
* Re: \externalfigure and file size 2012-01-20 10:18 ` Marco @ 2012-01-20 10:26 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 52+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-01-20 10:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco On 20-1-2012 11:18, Marco wrote: > Sets the text and object compression to the maximum value > (which is 9). The command is considered to be a higher > level command, see > > http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20111229.184755.b0199f53.en.html keep in mind that on the average the defaults are a good compromise between speed and bytes (both in writing and reading) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 52+ messages in thread
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