Re: (MKIV beta) APA citations: "et al." incorrectly written

[Sander Maijers <s.n.maijers@gmail.com>]

Thank you Robert! I was planning to respond to your private message as
well. Am I correct in that you would enforce a single concrete
citation format throughout the document that way? In that case, I' m
sorry to report that does not help me. You were asking for comments
about your solution, I hope the following remarks are informative to
you.

My .bib file is being autogenerated by Mendeley, a reference manager,
and changes often in terms of contents. That workflow seems
incompatible with your solution. Furthermore, I may not let the
authors appear in citations with all their names every time, it should
be limited to the first time (the APA 6 rules, that I referred to).
With your solution, 1 out of n citations would be correct, while in
the current situation (without manual intervention) n-1 out of n would
be correct (all but the first).

So, am I out of luck? Should I maybe have an 'invisible' citation with
the first citation, spelling out that citation myself, while still
recording that the work was cited and is to be listed in the
bibliography.

Who can tell me please how to hide \cite output in the neatest way
possible, while keeping the semantics in tact (i.e. establish that a
reference was made)?

Best,

Sander Maijers


On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Robert Blackstone
<blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6 Oct 2014, at 23:33 , Sander Maijers <s.n.maijers@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
> Who can offer a short-term solution to this problem? All I want is to
> reference a work, listing all of the authors' names, in APA6 format. If
> necessary I'll prescribe the output format manually.
>
> Best,
>
> Sander Maijers
>
>
> \setupbibtex[database={references/bibliographic_database},sort=author]
>
> \setuppublications[alternative=apa]
>
> \starttext
>    \cite[extras={, p.~3}][Zhou2012]
>    \cite[Zhou2012]
> \stoptext
>
>
> Incorrectly produces:
>
> (Zhou et al., 2012, p. 3) (Zhou et al., 2012)
>
>
> Instead of:
>
> (Zhou, Lyu, & King, 2012, p. 3) (Zhou, Lyu, & King, 2012)
>
>
>
>
> What I would do is, for the final processing, not to load the .bib-file but
> the .bbl that was generated in the previous run. You can open that file in
> any text processor (I mostly use TeXShop) and manually change the Author for
> this particular entry. In the .bbl the field Author has this form:
> \author[]{}[]{}{} .
>
> You should be able to solve your problem by putting inside the last pair of
> brackets exactly how you would like your authors et. al. to appear in your
> output. Place the whole lot again between brackets:  \author[]{}[]{}{{Zhou,
> Tom Chao and Lyu, Michael R. and King, Irwin}} or whatever you want.
>
> But again,  don’t input the bib-file. Every time you do that the old .bbl is
> overwritten and your correction will be lost. ConTeXt uses the .bbl, not the
> .bib.
>
> I hope this helps.
> Best regards,
>
> Robert Blackstone
>
>
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