From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/88862 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sander Maijers Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: (MKIV beta) APA citations: "et al." incorrectly written Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20140930203219.117d3ef1@iram-ha-003587.extra.cea.fr> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0571737911==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412629804 1359 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2014 21:10:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl To: Alan BRASLAU Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Oct 06 23:10:00 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbFXc-0006LI-2y for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:10:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5028C1024F for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 41v-NwL4ya6I for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944AA1025B for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B69A10206 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id TZcGDSBbwUxe for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter5-til.mf.surf.net (filter5-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.221]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5185C101F6 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:09:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) by filter5-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id s96L41TE017057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:04:02 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id gb8so5194307lab.17 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=a8aIEqNIwdn03apxyEtXJBfUHuXResxs3TUpA0SgZ5M=; b=qTYTA9md/1Yf1XYby/oXMAKUQFfG82IrSJyyC4IPQQBFn3w48WM834iSBmzzpYK8dg iPYdJHv/ulJAiRke2xzbJRhrNEWZbBKZhELhIoAixNolRP6bNp2s7SO5j5e+fE+eL3x3 7awDB1DqJccGuPmYQAeFmYHbK3SA6Je3YYRP/xQXcY0Mo0j11Esj0LYl2XkCh/mvErx7 AmWvJ0sUEn0LXdiwTxGsYI0UvkjczAXaBre9PT2OlpYcWc2cfz/XC03J74UcVI7yZBB+ 51fWCWR2h/HFZNh3J+k/GLkUykeu2T9W79/E+QOe6hADc/KQdedz7t/Th0+6D5Dk0sYf JI8Q== X-Received: by 10.152.9.2 with SMTP id v2mr7522319laa.36.1412629755049; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.152.198.225 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:09:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140930203219.117d3ef1@iram-ha-003587.extra.cea.fr> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c; country=IE X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0WMXV41dE - b6e4da77698e - 20141006 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:88862 Archived-At: --===============0571737911== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158b8eebfbd7f0504c77e33 --089e0158b8eebfbd7f0504c77e33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Who can offer a short-term solution to this problem? All I want is to reference a work, listing all of the authors' names, in APA6 format. If necessary I'll prescribe the output format manually. Best, Sander Maijers On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > Hello, > > These are the sort of details that we are trying to address with the > new bibliography subsystem. The APA rules (reference: Publication > Manual of the APA, 6th edition) give many special cases, some of which > can be a bit tricky. > > The mkii/mkiv bibliography module that you are using does a good job but > is not so sophisticated. The new mkiv rewrite is (unfortunately) still > work in progress and is not quite "production" ready. The new subsystem > was one topic of the recent ConTeXt meeting. > > You can continue to address bibliography questions to the list, or to me > directly as I am presently working on this with Hans "in my spare > time" (Luigi and Thomas are also actively involved). This does not > solve your immediate problem, however. > > Alan > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:19:36 +0200 > Sander Maijers wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I use > > > > > This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.79.1 (TeX Live 2014/dev) (rev 4972) > > > > > > ConTeXt ver: 2014.09.27 14:46 MKIV beta fmt: 2014.9.30 int: > > > english/english > > > > > > > I want citations to respect APA rules, as described here: > > > http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2011/11/the-proper-use-of-et-al-in-apa-style.htm > > l > > > > *Problem*: when I cite a work with three authors, "et al." appears > > in the first citation. > > > > *Example*: > > > > \setupbibtex[database={references/bibliographic_database},sort=author] > > > \setuppublications[alternative=apa] > > > > > > \starttext > > > \cite[extras={, p.~3}][Zhou2012] > > > \cite[Zhou2012] > > > \stoptext > > > > > > > Incorrectly produces: > > > > > (Zhou et al., 2012, p. 3) (Zhou et al., 2012) > > > > > > > Instead of: > > > > > (Zhou, Lyu, & King, 2012, p. 3) (Zhou, Lyu, & King, 2012) > > > > > > Where the BibTeX entry is > > > > > @inproceedings{Zhou2012, > > > address = {New York, New York, USA}, > > > annote = {2/5}, > > > author = {Zhou, Tom Chao and Lyu, Michael R. and King, Irwin}, > > > booktitle = {Proceedings of the 21st international conference > > > companion on World Wide Web - WWW '12 Companion}, > > > doi = {10.1145/2187980.2188201}, > > > isbn = {9781450312301}, > > > keywords = {classification,community question answering,question > > > routing}, month = apr, > > > pages = {783}, > > > publisher = {ACM Press}, > > > title = {{A classification-based approach to question routing in > > > community question answering}}, > > > url = {http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2187980.2188201}, > > > year = {2012} > > > } > > > > > > > I hope someone can help me with this. > > > > Best regards, > > Sander Maijers > > > > -- > Alan Braslau > CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC > CNRS URA 2464 > Orme des Merisiers > 91191 Gif-sur-Yvette cedex FRANCE > tel: +33 1 69 08 73 15 > fax: +33 1 69 08 87 86 > mailto:alan.braslau@cea.fr > --089e0158b8eebfbd7f0504c77e33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who can offer a short-term solution to this problem? All I want= is to reference a work, listing all of the authors' names, in APA6 for= mat. If necessary I'll prescribe the output format manually.

Be= st,

Sander Maijers

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Alan BRASLA= U <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:
Hello,

These are the sort of details that we are trying to address with the
new bibliography subsystem. The APA rules (reference: Publication
Manual of the APA, 6th edition) give many special cases, some of which
can be a bit tricky.

The mkii/mkiv bibliography module that you are using does a good job but is not so sophisticated. The new mkiv rewrite is (unfortunately) still
work in progress and is not quite "production" ready. The new sub= system
was one topic of the recent ConTeXt meeting.

You can continue to address bibliography questions to the list, or to me directly as I am presently working on this with Hans "in my spare
time" (Luigi and Thomas are also actively involved). This does not
solve your immediate problem, however.

Alan


On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:19:36 +0200
Sander Maijers <s.n.maijers@gma= il.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I use
>
> > This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.79.1 (TeX Live 2014/dev) (rev 4972= )
> >
> > ConTeXt=C2=A0 ver: 2014.09.27 14:46 MKIV beta=C2=A0 fmt: 2014.9.30=C2=A0 int:
> > english/english
> >
>
> I want citations to respect APA rules, as described here:
> http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyl= e/2011/11/the-proper-use-of-et-al-in-apa-style.htm
> l
>
> *Problem*: when I cite a work with three authors, "et al."= =C2=A0 appears
> in the first citation.
>
> *Example*:
>
> \setupbibtex[database=3D{references/bibliographic_database},sort=3Daut= hor]
> > \setuppublications[alternative=3Dapa]
> >
> > \starttext
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0\cite[extras=3D{, p.~3}][Zhou2012]
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0\cite[Zhou2012]
> > \stoptext
> >
>
> Incorrectly produces:
>
> > (Zhou et al., 2012, p. 3) (Zhou et al., 2012)
> >
>
> Instead of:
>
> > (Zhou, Lyu, & King, 2012, p. 3) (Zhou, Lyu, & King, 2012)=
>
>
> Where the BibTeX entry is
>
> > @inproceedings{Zhou2012,
> > address =3D {New York, New York, USA},
> > annote =3D {2/5},
> > author =3D {Zhou, Tom Chao and Lyu, Michael R. and King, Irwin},<= br> > > booktitle =3D {Proceedings of the 21st international conference > > companion on World Wide Web - WWW '12 Companion},
> > doi =3D {10.1145/2187980.2188201},
> > isbn =3D {9781450312301},
> > keywords =3D {classification,community question answering,questio= n
> > routing}, month =3D apr,
> > pages =3D {783},
> > publisher =3D {ACM Press},
> > title =3D {{A classification-based approach to question routing i= n
> > community question answering}},
> > url =3D {http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D2187980.21882= 01},
> > year =3D {2012}
> > }
> >
>
> I hope someone can help me with this.
>
> Best regards,
> Sander Maijers



--
Alan Braslau
CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC
CNRS URA 2464
Orme des Merisiers
91191 Gif-sur-Yvette cedex FRANCE
tel: += 33 1 69 08 73 15
fax: += 33 1 69 08 87 86
mailto:alan.braslau@cea.fr

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