From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84034 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mari Voipio Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: texlive vs. Context minimal on Windows Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:15:33 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20130831084315.05428682@wexfordpress> <20130831114057.1f651c04@localb.wexfordpress.net> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377965760 28564 80.91.229.3 (31 Aug 2013 16:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:16:00 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Aug 31 18:16:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VFnqG-00072t-ND for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:16:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352BF10246; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:14:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id eY6ohIvZgFEe; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:14:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE5410232; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F9710242 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:14:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id U9bUs1Zs5Onq for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:14:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (filter4-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.72]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE8810232 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:14:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r7VGGDXC025152 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id l12so561738wiv.4 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:15:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=6I1zaynmFdr+lD/XdWk1nWZOKsp3el//ABYaN3BAvt4=; b=ElZlDvLYofR4SSizvrq3NVJJPv8H66nASj1C1bIwCGJL84S2OrYUKg1U3jp3e97mc3 eD0+d6F//rZpjNAK0UaefL4e7TobF/mLNTeqmq2l6O74IHUnx37r+JINIiHNhEd2n7pk cWLins/Oh4OD+wH5nQunBkShJ981hdwbtfgHCigYajODGUvYfQmfhlmX7ObTAAw5mho/ aKsrZZ7dBqQa8+t+te4UFdEOGEi002fICjlii7EpZPUs6tFu/HTg9xc4mQplCgaDBOM/ pVeYlqG5OA/tTPhTcEAPGKuQpryuaTheVNycioIyCzI7F3DtiUz0xxg/8apB0c33w5wJ SENA== X-Received: by 10.180.208.49 with SMTP id mb17mr6848442wic.64.1377965733773; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.76.10 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:15:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130831114057.1f651c04@localb.wexfordpress.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: vivLrQRtCtN2fl-AncBMkUREwBw X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::229; country=IE X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 01Kjsge7a - 45c6cba69222 - 20130831 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:84034 Archived-At: Hello! On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 6:40 PM, john Culleton wrote: > Just fyi TeXlive when installed on Windows also loads a program > submenu, and one of the entries there is texworks. So I can pretty much > insulate my users from dreaded (by some) command line. That was the > reason for my original question. If your users are what I call "an average Windows user", I'd go for TeXLive, assuming the ConteXt there doesn't have some known *major* flaw in the basic functions. I must admit for my part that I update my work ConTeXt - i.e. the one in Windows - only every 3-6 months; I just can't be bothered without a good reason... A complete beginner won't need any of the newest features, a slightly outdated version ConTeXt will do fine for teaching the basics. I've thought that one of the main ideas with TeXLive is to make life easier for those who don't like spending time tweaking their computer or just don't have the knowledge required. As the easier option exists, why not take it. :-) TeXworks may not be the world's most advanced editor, but good enough with highlighting and it allows doing everything by clicking as opposed to using the unfamiliar command line interface. And frankly, TeXWorks looks more like "Windows" than SciTe, so it is probably a better choice anyway. On my Mac I prefer TeXShop to TeXWorks, but the latter is good enough. Besides, I've been using ConTeXt for a long time, so I know what I like - beginners will take whatever you give them and make do. The main thing is to make a choice and stick to it, to avoid additional confusion. BTW, I'm working on (or this far, thinking hard about) some material for a *complete* beginner (coming from the world of WYSIWYG) and also on some on teaching ConTeXt to non-techies, which will be subject of my talk at this year's ConTeXt meeting. I'll be happy to share all my material, if it helps! Regards, Mari (who may have to update to get access to the newest SciTe features - I'm still trying to make up my mind about whether I want them badly enough to take the risk...) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________