From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/80508 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mari Voipio Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Finding documentation for ConTeXt Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:38:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <510590D1.5060905@wxs.nl> <71137050-D396-42AD-AB1F-FF1C12173D9F@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1359394734 1351 80.91.229.3 (28 Jan 2013 17:38:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:38:54 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Jan 28 18:39:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tzsfo-0007MJ-8p for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:39:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1CF101F3; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OdY0gWAbo5Vv; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:45 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46921101E6; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:45 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485D4101E6 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sI2rn9u9nxPo for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE785101E5 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r0SHcX0F007828 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:38:33 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id s24so2026520vbi.36 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TN+Kgn3KYBuZuEz56hYKlPTCjXP0Fb0+0qc5xm70eak=; b=Sk3lOl6SpRkIONZjvSE+xVIYjqJoAMXXPTFBan5PnQWiR+IhgE/5m21uZvlTSARjnW ieZz2mwIg9WU60N5WFS+FbbfiNTVu+tXrA5sq9XixBCl9MHZQM9ZInMeAQJClkIvqVxH vtVJ5RpZ+w9o3QMlHs7+EU34So+kEsH1nIqE/vYJGZMem0QopqSUZnmemC2Da7FcEDNv Py0xzNDj2P9kH7D1S1urBtewpuGU5uXtSKy/jnjXHo4/8ivLsP/RV96kxI50sKPKYk+Q +Xyf1HkqSTaupEt8M8ilHsH7TLqWJtNAIbAXY3pFMgx60L0qiUKlI/ky4uQli2OLw7iE H7ng== X-Received: by 10.52.178.161 with SMTP id cz1mr10724330vdc.18.1359394713005; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.58.30.99 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <71137050-D396-42AD-AB1F-FF1C12173D9F@web.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: WPbqQZOqaffdofFSN3Le6C7LhiU X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.212.49; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0RIRtCxqE - 964480bc8195 - 20130128 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:80508 Archived-At: I think that one of the problems is that ConTeXt can do almost anything, if you know how to ask it to do that. What I do is different what most people use it for, but it works (http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-pagedesign.pdf and http://www.lucet.fi/2013/01/metaposting/ and http://www.lucet.fi/2012/12/twpatterns/). There used to be a project to create a test suite with various types of files, but the links on the wiki refer to something from 2009 and that is, as you say, probably a be obsolete. I remember somebody talking about the test suite at one of the more recent ConTeXt meetings (2011/2012) - anyone with more info on that project? I think it'd help Keith (and many others, me included) to see what can be done. If you do not want to splurge in the books, the revised chapters on typography, fonts and pagedesign are recommended reading and pretty well up-to-date. They are linked to the main page of the garden, but these take you directly to the pdfs: http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-pagedesign.pdf Other than that, it'd be helpful to know what you are looking for: are interested in typography, doing layouts for you and others? Is automated workflow what you are looking for? Dealing with maths? XML? What about dealing with colour? Interactivity? I guess I've resigned to the fact that ConTeXt is so huge that I'll never know more than a fraction of it - so I operate on a need-to-know basis. I learn something either because I'm certain it can be done or because I've seen it at a ConTeXt meeting or heard about it (a remark by Hans is to be blamed for my recent MetaPosting excursions). A slightly off-topic thought: there are hundreds of manuals on Microsoft Word. However, once you start going deeper into the program, it is not *that* easy to find a single good manual on the subject. With ConTeXt it is the other way round, finding 'for Dummies' information is hard, but once you want to dive deep, the developers are on this list to answer questions. Just my five cents on the subject, Mari (who still remembers what things were like before the wiki. this is much better.) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________