* Why are back-to-back \autocite commands not working in ConTeXt-SBL? [not found] <1841168518.669973.1640356618609.ref@mail.yahoo.com> @ 2021-12-24 14:36 ` Joel via ntg-context 2021-12-24 14:43 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Joel via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context; +Cc: Joel [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2370 bytes --] I am using the ConTeXt-SBL module to handle the citations in my article. Using the plain \cite[na2006] command has worked fine. But there are some situations where I want the footnote to include page number details. I tried using \cite[extra=2][na2006], but that doesn't seem compatible with ConTeXt-SBL. I checked the documentation, and if I understand correctly, I should use the autocite command to add page numbers to my citation? Like this: \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} This solution works in 95% of cases, but when I need to cite another book immediately after that, it throws up errors: This won't compile: \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} This won't compile: \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}%% \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} This also won't compile: \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}\autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} After much trial and error, I found this will compile: \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} The problem with this last example, is if my citations appear within the paragraph, then I end up with a paragraph break in the wrong place! Here is my minimum working example, which won't compile unless I add a blank line between the two citations. \usemodule[publ-imp-sbl] \startbuffer [bib] @Article{na2006, title={Volcanoes \word{of} New Mexico}, year={2006}, journal={New Mexico Earth Matters}, publisher={New Mexico Bureau \word{of} Geology \word{and} Mineral Resources}, volume={6}, number={1}, location={Socorro, New Mexico} } @Book{clark1989, author = {Clark, William}, title = {Railroads \word{and} railroad towns \word{in} New Mexico}, publisher = {New Mexico Magazine}, year = {1989}, address = {Albuquerque, New Mexico}, isbn = {9780937206126} } \stopbuffer \usebtxdataset[bib.buffer] \setupbtx[dataset=default] \usebtxdefinitions[sbl] \setupbtx[sbl] \starttext \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} \autocite[{\loc[3]}][]{clark1989} \startchapter[title=Bibliography] \placelistofpublications \stopchapter \stoptext Is the autocite command the wrong tool for what I need? How can I place citations right next to each other, but also include page number information with ConTeXt-SBL? --Joel [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 5427 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Why are back-to-back \autocite commands not working in ConTeXt-SBL? 2021-12-24 14:36 ` Why are back-to-back \autocite commands not working in ConTeXt-SBL? Joel via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 14:43 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 2021-12-24 14:46 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 2021-12-24 15:14 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Joey McCollum via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Joey McCollum [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4235 bytes --] Joel, Thanks for mentioning this! I think I've run into the same issue before, but I wasn't sure how I should go about fixing it, so this might be a good place to get suggestions from others. The \autocite, \inlinecite, \parencite, and \footcite helper commands are intended to handle trailing punctuation intelligently (in order to do things like move punctuation after a footnote citation before the footnote marker), so they treat the next character after the command as a "hidden" parameter. This works as expected if the next character is a punctuation character or something like a \blank command, but if it's something like a \section command (or another \autocite command, as you've discovered), then this causes problems. That said, I think you should be able to get your ConTeXt to compile if you follow your \autocite command with punctuation or some form of whitespace (which is why a double newline works, as you've discovered, while a single newline does not). I'd like to keep the intelligent trailing punctuation adjustment feature if possible, but this problem definitely needs to be fixed. If anyone has any suggestions, I welcome them! My hope is that this can be resolved with a simple check. Joey On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 9:37 AM Joel via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote: > I am using the ConTeXt-SBL module to handle the citations in my article. > Using the plain \cite[na2006] command has worked fine. > > But there are some situations where I want the footnote to include page > number details. I tried using \cite[extra=2][na2006], but that doesn't seem > compatible with ConTeXt-SBL. I checked the documentation, and if I > understand correctly, I should use the autocite command to add page numbers > to my citation? Like this: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > > This solution works in 95% of cases, but when I need to cite another book > immediately after that, it throws up errors: > > > This won't compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > This won't compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}% > % > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > This also won't compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}\autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > After much trial and error, I found this will compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > The problem with this last example, is if my citations appear within the > paragraph, then I end up with a paragraph break in the wrong place! > > Here is my minimum working example, which won't compile unless I add a > blank line between the two citations. > > \usemodule[publ-imp-sbl] > \startbuffer [bib] > > @Article{na2006, > title={Volcanoes \word{of} New Mexico}, > year={2006}, > journal={New Mexico Earth Matters}, > publisher={New Mexico Bureau \word{of} Geology \word{and} Mineral > Resources}, > volume={6}, > number={1}, > location={Socorro, New Mexico} > } > > @Book{clark1989, > author = {Clark, William}, > title = {Railroads \word{and} railroad towns \word{in} New Mexico}, > publisher = {New Mexico Magazine}, > year = {1989}, > address = {Albuquerque, New Mexico}, > isbn = {9780937206126} > } > > \stopbuffer > > \usebtxdataset[bib.buffer] > > \setupbtx[dataset=default] > \usebtxdefinitions[sbl] > \setupbtx[sbl] > > \starttext > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > \autocite[{\loc[3]}][]{clark1989} > > > \startchapter[title=Bibliography] > \placelistofpublications > \stopchapter > > \stoptext > > Is the autocite command the wrong tool for what I need? How can I place > citations right next to each other, but also include page number > information with ConTeXt-SBL? > > --Joel > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 7282 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Why are back-to-back \autocite commands not working in ConTeXt-SBL? 2021-12-24 14:43 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 14:46 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 2021-12-24 15:14 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Joey McCollum via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Joey McCollum [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4786 bytes --] Additionally, if you want to cite page numbers, the key to use in ConTeXt-SBL is "loctext". (I was not aware of an "extra" key when I was developing the module.) So, you should be able to make the ConTeXt-style \cite command work as follows: ``` \cite[loctext=2][na2006] ``` I hope this helps, too! Joey On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 9:43 AM Joey McCollum <jmccollum20140511@gmail.com> wrote: > Joel, > > Thanks for mentioning this! I think I've run into the same issue before, > but I wasn't sure how I should go about fixing it, so this might be a good > place to get suggestions from others. > > The \autocite, \inlinecite, \parencite, and \footcite helper commands are > intended to handle trailing punctuation intelligently (in order to do > things like move punctuation after a footnote citation before the footnote > marker), so they treat the next character after the command as a "hidden" > parameter. This works as expected if the next character is a punctuation > character or something like a \blank command, but if it's something like a > \section command (or another \autocite command, as you've discovered), then > this causes problems. > > That said, I think you should be able to get your ConTeXt to compile if > you follow your \autocite command with punctuation or some form of > whitespace (which is why a double newline works, as you've discovered, > while a single newline does not). > > I'd like to keep the intelligent trailing punctuation adjustment feature > if possible, but this problem definitely needs to be fixed. If anyone has > any suggestions, I welcome them! My hope is that this can be resolved with > a simple check. > > Joey > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 9:37 AM Joel via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > wrote: > >> I am using the ConTeXt-SBL module to handle the citations in my article. >> Using the plain \cite[na2006] command has worked fine. >> >> But there are some situations where I want the footnote to include page >> number details. I tried using \cite[extra=2][na2006], but that doesn't seem >> compatible with ConTeXt-SBL. I checked the documentation, and if I >> understand correctly, I should use the autocite command to add page numbers >> to my citation? Like this: >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} >> >> This solution works in 95% of cases, but when I need to cite another book >> immediately after that, it throws up errors: >> >> >> This won't compile: >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} >> >> This won't compile: >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}% >> % >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} >> >> This also won't compile: >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}\autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} >> >> After much trial and error, I found this will compile: >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} >> >> The problem with this last example, is if my citations appear within the >> paragraph, then I end up with a paragraph break in the wrong place! >> >> Here is my minimum working example, which won't compile unless I add a >> blank line between the two citations. >> >> \usemodule[publ-imp-sbl] >> \startbuffer [bib] >> >> @Article{na2006, >> title={Volcanoes \word{of} New Mexico}, >> year={2006}, >> journal={New Mexico Earth Matters}, >> publisher={New Mexico Bureau \word{of} Geology \word{and} Mineral >> Resources}, >> volume={6}, >> number={1}, >> location={Socorro, New Mexico} >> } >> >> @Book{clark1989, >> author = {Clark, William}, >> title = {Railroads \word{and} railroad towns \word{in} New Mexico}, >> publisher = {New Mexico Magazine}, >> year = {1989}, >> address = {Albuquerque, New Mexico}, >> isbn = {9780937206126} >> } >> >> \stopbuffer >> >> \usebtxdataset[bib.buffer] >> >> \setupbtx[dataset=default] >> \usebtxdefinitions[sbl] >> \setupbtx[sbl] >> >> \starttext >> >> \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} >> \autocite[{\loc[3]}][]{clark1989} >> >> >> \startchapter[title=Bibliography] >> \placelistofpublications >> \stopchapter >> >> \stoptext >> >> Is the autocite command the wrong tool for what I need? How can I place >> citations right next to each other, but also include page number >> information with ConTeXt-SBL? >> >> --Joel >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 8057 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Why are back-to-back \autocite commands not working in ConTeXt-SBL? 2021-12-24 14:43 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 2021-12-24 14:46 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 15:14 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context 2021-12-24 17:50 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Denis Maier [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 9859 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Why are back-to-back \autocite commands not working in ConTeXt-SBL? 2021-12-24 15:14 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 17:50 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Joey McCollum via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Joey McCollum [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5922 bytes --] That may work with something like ``` \cite[loctext={{2},{2}}][{na2006,clark1989}] ``` or ``` \autocite[{{\loc[2]},{\loc[2]}}]{{na2006,clark1989}} ``` (I know that the ConTeXt \cite command supports multicites with comma-separated entries, but I forget exactly what the expected syntax looks like.) Joey On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 10:14 AM Denis Maier via ntg-context < ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote: > biblatex has special multicite commands=> e.g. autocites. could that be > used in that case? > > Denis > > Joey McCollum via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> hat am 24.12.2021 > 15:43 geschrieben: > > > Joel, > > Thanks for mentioning this! I think I've run into the same issue before, > but I wasn't sure how I should go about fixing it, so this might be a good > place to get suggestions from others. > > The \autocite, \inlinecite, \parencite, and \footcite helper commands are > intended to handle trailing punctuation intelligently (in order to do > things like move punctuation after a footnote citation before the footnote > marker), so they treat the next character after the command as a "hidden" > parameter. This works as expected if the next character is a punctuation > character or something like a \blank command, but if it's something like a > \section command (or another \autocite command, as you've discovered), then > this causes problems. > > That said, I think you should be able to get your ConTeXt to compile if > you follow your \autocite command with punctuation or some form of > whitespace (which is why a double newline works, as you've discovered, > while a single newline does not). > > I'd like to keep the intelligent trailing punctuation adjustment feature > if possible, but this problem definitely needs to be fixed. If anyone has > any suggestions, I welcome them! My hope is that this can be resolved with > a simple check. > > Joey > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 9:37 AM Joel via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > wrote: > > I am using the ConTeXt-SBL module to handle the citations in my article. > Using the plain \cite[na2006] command has worked fine. > > But there are some situations where I want the footnote to include page > number details. I tried using \cite[extra=2][na2006], but that doesn't seem > compatible with ConTeXt-SBL. I checked the documentation, and if I > understand correctly, I should use the autocite command to add page numbers > to my citation? Like this: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > > This solution works in 95% of cases, but when I need to cite another book > immediately after that, it throws up errors: > > > This won't compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > This won't compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}% > % > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > This also won't compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006}\autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > After much trial and error, I found this will compile: > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{clark1989} > > The problem with this last example, is if my citations appear within the > paragraph, then I end up with a paragraph break in the wrong place! > > Here is my minimum working example, which won't compile unless I add a > blank line between the two citations. > > \usemodule[publ-imp-sbl] > \startbuffer [bib] > > @Article{na2006, > title={Volcanoes \word{of} New Mexico}, > year={2006}, > journal={New Mexico Earth Matters}, > publisher={New Mexico Bureau \word{of} Geology \word{and} Mineral > Resources}, > volume={6}, > number={1}, > location={Socorro, New Mexico} > } > > @Book{clark1989, > author = {Clark, William}, > title = {Railroads \word{and} railroad towns \word{in} New Mexico}, > publisher = {New Mexico Magazine}, > year = {1989}, > address = {Albuquerque, New Mexico}, > isbn = {9780937206126} > } > > \stopbuffer > > \usebtxdataset[bib.buffer] > > \setupbtx[dataset=default] > \usebtxdefinitions[sbl] > \setupbtx[sbl] > > \starttext > > \autocite[{\loc[2]}][]{na2006} > \autocite[{\loc[3]}][]{clark1989} > > > \startchapter[title=Bibliography] > \placelistofpublications > \stopchapter > > \stoptext > > Is the autocite command the wrong tool for what I need? How can I place > citations right next to each other, but also include page number > information with ConTeXt-SBL? > > --Joel > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 12081 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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