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I could simply use the shorthand in the "series" and "journal" fields and set up the appropriate \abbreviation calls in the document or environment. As for the larger issue of bibliographies, I've started working on publ-imp-sbl.lua and publ-imp-sbl.mkvi files. I knew I would need this for my own project soon, and I felt it would be useful to myself and the ConTeXt community if I could at least get a rudimentary version working. I'm presently using the reference for examples from the *SBL Handbook of Style*, 2nd edition, available at https://github.com/dcpurton/biblatex-sbl/blob/master/test/biblatex-sbl-exam= ples.ref.txt . Like you say, some parts are tricky. SBL uses "entry"-style citations by default and doesn't seem to make use of other common alternatives (such as "authoryear"). I can think of some existing alternatives that might get used in specific cases (e.g., "author", "title"), but the recommended shorthand has the form "shortauthor, shorttitle" (i.e., the last name(s) of the author(s) only, followed by a comma and a shortened form of the title as specified in the "shorttitle" field). I could make this the sbl style's implementation of the "short" alternative, since the LaTeX-style bracketed number references are foreign to SBL style anyway, but if would be preferable just to introduce another alternative (something like "authortitle"), then I could also try to do that. For my immediate purposes, I won't need much more than the @book, @article, @inbook, and @incollection entries, so my focus will be on getting those right, but if anyone is interested in helping, I'll gladly take help. (But it would probably be better to discuss the details in a separate e-mail thread.) Joey On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 4:12 AM Denis Maier via ntg-context < ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote: > > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Henning > > Hraban Ramm via ntg-context > > Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2021 22:40 > > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users > > Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm > > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Short forms and abbreviations in bibliograph= y > > > > > > > > > Am 07.08.2021 um 21:53 schrieb Joey McCollum via ntg-context > context@ntg.nl>: > > > > > > A separate list of abbreviations would then list "LSAWS" alongside > "Linguistic > > Studies in Ancient West Semitic" (and likewise for other journal/series > > abbreviations). > > > > Regarding abbreviations have a look at > > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definesynonyms > > > > It should be as easy as > > > > \abbreviation{LSAWS}{Linguistic Studies in Ancient West Semitic} > > > > The full name of \quote{LSAWS} is \infull{LSAWS}. > > > > \placelistofabbreviations > > > > > > I had a case where mostly abbreviations were used in the text but the > full name > > should appear in the index. > > I can provide the setup (including Lua functions), if it might help you= . > > > > > > Can=E2=80=99t help with bibliographies, sorry. > > SBL is a tricky beast anyway. There were some discussions regarding > implementing Chicago Manual of Style a couple of weeks ago. Develelopment= s > on that front could also be useful for SBL. Don't know what came out of > this though. > > Denis > > > > > Hraban > > ________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : > > https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > --000000000000fe4d4d05c91fe52e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Henning's suggestion for abbreviations should work fin= e for that issue. I could simply use the shorthand in the "series"= ; and "journal" fields and set up the appropriate \abbreviation c= alls in the document or environment.

As for the larger issue of bibl= iographies, I've started working on publ-imp-sbl.lua and publ-imp-sbl.m= kvi files. I knew I would need this for my own project soon, and I felt it = would be useful to myself and the ConTeXt community if I could at least get= a rudimentary version working. I'm presently using the reference for e= xamples from the SBL Handbook of Style, 2nd edition, available at=C2= =A0https://github.com/dcpurton/biblatex-sbl/blob/m= aster/test/biblatex-sbl-examples.ref.txt.

Like you s= ay, some parts are tricky. SBL uses "entry"-style citations by de= fault and doesn't seem to make use of other common alternatives (such a= s "authoryear"). I can think of some existing alternatives that m= ight get used in specific cases (e.g., "author", "title"= ;), but the recommended=C2=A0shorthand has the form "shortauthor, shor= ttitle" (i.e., the last name(s) of the author(s) only, followed by a c= omma and a shortened form of the title as specified in the "shorttitle= " field). I could make this the sbl style's implementation of the = "short" alternative, since the LaTeX-style bracketed number refer= ences are foreign to SBL style anyway, but if would be preferable just to i= ntroduce another alternative (something like "authortitle"), then= I could also try to do that.

For my immediate purposes, I won't= need much more than the=C2=A0@book, @article, @inbook, and=C2=A0@incollect= ion=C2=A0entries, so my focus will be on getting those right, but if anyone= is interested in helping, I'll gladly take help. (But it would probabl= y be better to discuss the details in a separate e-mail thread.)
=
Joey

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 4:12 AM Denis Maier via ntg= -context <ntg-context@ntg.nl&g= t; wrote:


> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Henning > Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2021 22:40
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Short forms and abbreviations in bibliograp= hy
>
>
>
> > Am 07.08.2021 um 21:53 schrieb Joey McCollum via ntg-context <= ntg-
> context@ntg.nl= >:
> >
> > A separate list of abbreviations would then list "LSAWS"= ; alongside "Linguistic
> Studies in Ancient West Semitic" (and likewise for other journal/= series
> abbreviations).
>
> Regarding abbreviations have a look at
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/de= finesynonyms
>
> It should be as easy as
>
> \abbreviation{LSAWS}{Linguistic Studies in Ancient West Semitic}
>
> The full name of \quote{LSAWS} is \infull{LSAWS}.
>
> \placelistofabbreviations
>
>
> I had a case where mostly abbreviations were used in the text but the = full name
> should appear in the index.
> I can provide the setup (including Lua functions), if it might help yo= u.
>
>
> Can=E2=80=99t help with bibliographies, sorry.

SBL is a tricky beast anyway. There were some discussions regarding impleme= nting Chicago Manual of Style a couple of weeks ago. Develelopments on that= front could also be useful for SBL. Don't know what came out of this t= hough.

Denis

>
> Hraban
> ________________________________________________________________
> ___________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry= to the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg= -context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listin= fo/ntg-context
> webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.ne= t archive=C2=A0 :
> https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commi= ts/
> wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
> ________________________________________________________________
> ___________________
___________________________________________________________________________= ________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/nt= g-context
webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net=
archive=C2=A0 : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-m= irror/commits/
wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
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