From: Joey McCollum via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Cc: Joey McCollum <jmccollum20140511@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Short forms and abbreviations in bibliography
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 17:58:34 -0400 [thread overview]
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Interestingly, if I remove the contents of the btx:sbl:inline:shorthand
command and paste them inline as the third argument of \abbreviation, then
it works as expected:
```
\expanded{\abbreviation[\currentbtxtag]{\btxdoif{shorthand}{\doifinsetelse{\btxflush{type}}{plainttitle,
plainshorthand}{\btxflush{shorthand}}{\btxstartstyleandcolor[sbl:\s!list:title:\currentbtxcategory]\btxusecommand[sbl:\s!list:title:\currentbtxcategory]{\btxflush{shorthand}}\btxstopstyleandcolor}}}{\textcite[alternative=listsubcite,lefttext=,righttext=][\currentbtxtag]}}
```
But obviously, this is much less readable. So if there is a more concise
solution that applies expansion control to
\texdefinition{btx:sbl:inline:shorthand}, I'd love to know it!
Thanks!
Joey
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 3:05 PM Joey McCollum <jmccollum20140511@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Okay, I had a follow-up question sooner than I thought! Enclosing the
> \abbreviation command doesn't quite work when I want to typeset the
> abbreviated form with a \texdefinition, as follows:
>
> ```
> \texdefinition{btx:sbl:doifownfield} {shorthand} {
>
> \expanded{\abbreviation[\currentbtxtag]{\texdefinition{btx:sbl:inline:shorthand}}{\textcite[alternative=listsubcite,lefttext=,righttext=][\currentbtxtag]}}
> }
> ```
>
> Thankfully, everything else gets rendered as expected. But why is the
> \texdefinition not expanding? If it helps, I've included it below:
>
> ```
> \starttexdefinition btx:sbl:inline:shorthand
> \btxdoif {shorthand} {
> % If the entry is of type plaintitle or plainshorthand, then do not
> apply formatting to its shorthand
> \doifinsetelse{\btxflush{type}}{plainttitle, plainshorthand} {
> \btxflush{shorthand}
> } {
> \btxstartstyleandcolor[sbl:\s!list:title:\currentbtxcategory]
> \btxusecommand[sbl:\s!list:title:\currentbtxcategory]{
> \btxflush{shorthand}% set the shorthand according to the current
> category
> }
> \btxstopstyleandcolor
> }
> \btxcomma
> }
> \stoptexdefinition
> ```
>
> Do I have to apply expansion control somewhere else or in some other way?
>
> Joey
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 2:35 PM Joey McCollum <jmccollum20140511@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All right, I think I see what I did wrong; I just needed to enclose the
>> whole \abbreviation command in an \expanded command as follows:
>>
>> ```
>> \startsetups btx:sbl:cite:short
>> ...
>> \btxdoif {shorthand} {
>>
>> \expanded{\abbreviation[\currentbtxtag]{\btxflush{shorthand}}{\btxflush{title}}}
>> }
>> ...
>> \stopsetups
>> ```
>>
>> It looks like passing the macro \currentbtxtag as the tag for the
>> abbreviation works fine. And if I redefine the abbreviations synonyms list
>> as follows, I can use \inshort[\currentbtxtag]:
>>
>> ```
>> \definesynonyms[abbreviation][abbreviations][\infull][\inshort]
>> ```
>>
>> I'll add more to the thread if I run into any problems making this more
>> complex!
>>
>> Joey
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 12:35 PM Joey McCollum <
>> jmccollum20140511@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> (Quick note for anyone following this thread: I've figured out how to
>>> implement different typesetting rules for list, inline, and short-form
>>> citations; you can see how I've done this in the publ-imp-sbl.mkvi file in
>>> the https://github.com/jjmccollum/context-sbl repository.)
>>>
>>> I have another question related to abbreviations/synonyms in connection
>>> with bibliographies. When a bibliographic entry has a "shorthand" field and
>>> I cite it using \cite[alternative=short], I would like to add its shorthand
>>> to the abbreviations list, with a longer citation as its "in-full" form. My
>>> first thought was that I could accomplish this with something like the
>>> following:
>>>
>>> ```
>>> \startsetups btx:sbl:cite:short
>>> ...
>>> \btxdoif {shorthand} {
>>> \abbreviation[\currentbtxtag]{\btxflush{shorthand}}{\btxflush{title}}
>>> }
>>> ...
>>> \stopsetups
>>> ```
>>>
>>> But even if I invoke \placelistofabbreviations with the "criterium=all"
>>> option, nothing appears in the list.
>>>
>>> In some ways, this issue is related to the now-resolved issue "Which way
>>> to type greek letters in synonym list?" from 2010. The problem is that in
>>> this case, I have to use a macro even in the first input to \abbreviation
>>> (in brackets), because I don't know what it is in advance. In addition, if
>>> the second and third inputs to \abbreviation (in curly braces) are not
>>> expanded until the list is printed, then they will be empty/undefined at
>>> the time when they are needed.
>>>
>>> I'm not as familiar with how to deal with expansion problems, so I could
>>> use someone's expertise here. Is there a simple way to define an
>>> abbreviation using the expanded values of macros as above? And is there a
>>> way to invoke an abbreviation/synonym at this level of abstraction?
>>> (Something like \inshort[\currentbtxtag]?)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Joey
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 6:11 PM Joey McCollum <
>>> jmccollum20140511@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just continuing to talk my way through the inner workings of the
>>>> ConTeXt Publication modules. It looks like three "long" citation forms are
>>>> defined in publ-imp-cite.mkvi:
>>>>
>>>> \startsetups btx:cite:listelement
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:concat}
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:lefttext}
>>>> \ifx\currentbtxfirst\empty
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:\s!empty}
>>>> \else
>>>> \texdefinition {\s!btx:\s!cite:inject} {
>>>> \btxcitereference
>>>> \currentbtxfirst
>>>> }
>>>> \fi
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:righttext}
>>>> \stopsetups
>>>>
>>>> \startsetups \s!btx:\s!cite:entry
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:concat}
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:lefttext}
>>>> \btxhandleciteentry
>>>> \fastsetup{\s!btx:\s!cite:righttext}
>>>> \stopsetups
>>>>
>>>> \startsetups \s!btx:\s!cite:footnote
>>>> \startfootnote
>>>> \fastsetup{btx:cite:entry}
>>>> \stopfootnote
>>>> \stopsetups
>>>>
>>>> Intuitively, I would expect btx:cite:listelement [why not
>>>> \s!btx:\s!cite:listelement?] to handle rendering a bibliographic entry for
>>>> the bibliography proper (i.e., the list typically placed at the end of a
>>>> document), while \s!btx:\s!cite:entry would handle in-text citations. The
>>>> third setup, \s!btx:\s!cite:footnote, simply renders the "entry"-style
>>>> citation in a footnote.
>>>>
>>>> But as far as I can tell, the "listelement" setup is never used outside
>>>> of publ-imp-cite.mkvi. Only the "entry" setup appears to be used.
>>>> Meanwhile, the \btxcitereference and \btxhandleciteentry macros (invoked
>>>> in these setups) appear to be defined in publ-ini.mkiv:
>>>>
>>>> \unexpanded\def\btx_cite_reference_inject
>>>> {\ifconditional\c_btx_cite_reference_injected
>>>> \else
>>>> \dontleavehmode
>>>> \iftrialtypesetting \else
>>>> \ifx\currentbtxbacklink\empty
>>>> % can be made empty when combining author / year
>>>> \else\ifnum\currentbtxbacklink>\zerocount
>>>> \btx_cite_reference_inject_indeed
>>>> \settrue\c_btx_cite_reference_injected
>>>> \fi\fi
>>>> \fi
>>>> \fi}
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> \let\btxcitereference\btx_cite_reference_inject
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> \unexpanded\def\btxhandleciteentry
>>>> {\dontleavehmode
>>>> \begingroup
>>>> \def\currentbtxcitealternative{entry}%
>>>> \setbtxparameterset\s!cite\currentbtxcitealternative % needs checking
>>>> \btxcitereference
>>>> \btx_entry_inject
>>>> \endgroup}
>>>>
>>>> My next step will be to figure out what these are doing, but I'm still
>>>> not sure if the module accommodates rendering in-text "entry" citations
>>>> differently than citations in the list.
>>>>
>>>> Joey
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:55 AM Joey McCollum <
>>>> jmccollum20140511@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Henning's suggestion for abbreviations should work fine for that
>>>>> issue. I could simply use the shorthand in the "series" and "journal"
>>>>> fields and set up the appropriate \abbreviation calls in the document or
>>>>> environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the larger issue of bibliographies, I've started working on
>>>>> publ-imp-sbl.lua and publ-imp-sbl.mkvi files. I knew I would need this for
>>>>> my own project soon, and I felt it would be useful to myself and the
>>>>> ConTeXt community if I could at least get a rudimentary version working.
>>>>> I'm presently using the reference for examples from the *SBL Handbook
>>>>> of Style*, 2nd edition, available at
>>>>> https://github.com/dcpurton/biblatex-sbl/blob/master/test/biblatex-sbl-examples.ref.txt
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you say, some parts are tricky. SBL uses "entry"-style citations
>>>>> by default and doesn't seem to make use of other common alternatives (such
>>>>> as "authoryear"). I can think of some existing alternatives that might get
>>>>> used in specific cases (e.g., "author", "title"), but the
>>>>> recommended shorthand has the form "shortauthor, shorttitle" (i.e., the
>>>>> last name(s) of the author(s) only, followed by a comma and a shortened
>>>>> form of the title as specified in the "shorttitle" field). I could make
>>>>> this the sbl style's implementation of the "short" alternative, since the
>>>>> LaTeX-style bracketed number references are foreign to SBL style anyway,
>>>>> but if would be preferable just to introduce another alternative (something
>>>>> like "authortitle"), then I could also try to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> For my immediate purposes, I won't need much more than the @book,
>>>>> @article, @inbook, and @incollection entries, so my focus will be on
>>>>> getting those right, but if anyone is interested in helping, I'll gladly
>>>>> take help. (But it would probably be better to discuss the details in a
>>>>> separate e-mail thread.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Joey
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 4:12 AM Denis Maier via ntg-context <
>>>>> ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>> > Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von
>>>>>> Henning
>>>>>> > Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
>>>>>> > Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2021 22:40
>>>>>> > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>>>>>> > Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
>>>>>> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Short forms and abbreviations in
>>>>>> bibliography
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Am 07.08.2021 um 21:53 schrieb Joey McCollum via ntg-context <ntg-
>>>>>> > context@ntg.nl>:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > A separate list of abbreviations would then list "LSAWS"
>>>>>> alongside "Linguistic
>>>>>> > Studies in Ancient West Semitic" (and likewise for other
>>>>>> journal/series
>>>>>> > abbreviations).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regarding abbreviations have a look at
>>>>>> > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definesynonyms
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It should be as easy as
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > \abbreviation{LSAWS}{Linguistic Studies in Ancient West Semitic}
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The full name of \quote{LSAWS} is \infull{LSAWS}.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > \placelistofabbreviations
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I had a case where mostly abbreviations were used in the text but
>>>>>> the full name
>>>>>> > should appear in the index.
>>>>>> > I can provide the setup (including Lua functions), if it might help
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Can’t help with bibliographies, sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SBL is a tricky beast anyway. There were some discussions regarding
>>>>>> implementing Chicago Manual of Style a couple of weeks ago. Develelopments
>>>>>> on that front could also be useful for SBL. Don't know what came out of
>>>>>> this though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hraban
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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-07 19:53 Joey McCollum via ntg-context
2021-08-07 20:40 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2021-08-09 8:12 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-08-09 12:55 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context
2021-08-22 22:11 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context
2021-10-06 16:35 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context
2021-10-06 18:35 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context
2021-10-06 19:05 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context
2021-10-06 21:58 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context [this message]
2021-10-07 4:38 ` Joey McCollum via ntg-context
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