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In your "broken" example, the patah below the het is being moved to the
right rather than staying under the middle of the het? But the shift to the
right is the correct behavior for furtive patah and should be expected.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 8:06 PM Denis Maier via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m running into something weird with Hebrew punctuation. Conside=
r the
> example below. SBL Hebrew gives me incorrect results when there=E2=80=99s=
 a vaw
> with a holam =3D =EF=AD=8B  just before a chet with a patach =3D =D7=97=
=D6=B7 =3D> the patach
> below the chet ist misplaced.
>
> If I remove the holam from the vaw, everything looks ok. Oddly, in Linux
> Libertine I get the correct results in both cases. Does anyone know what
> the problem is here? User error? A bug in SBL Hebrew (which would be very
> odd since that font should be designed specifically for that kind of
> stuff). A missing seeting?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
> \definefontfamily[notok][rm][SBL Hebrew][features=3Dhebrew]
>
> \definefontfamily[ok][rm][Linux Libertine O][features=3Dhebrew]
>
>
>
> \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal,method=3Dunicode]
>
>
>
>
>
> \starttext
>
>
>
> Ok:
>
> {\switchtobodyfont[notok]
>
> =D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D7=97=D6=B7
>
> }
>
>
>
> Broken:
>
> {\switchtobodyfont[notok]
>
> =D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=97=D6=B7
>
> }
>
>
>
> Linux Libertine works in both cases:
>
>
>
> Ok:
>
> {\switchtobodyfont[ok]
>
> =D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D7=97=D6=B7
>
> }
>
>
>
> Ok:
>
> {\switchtobodyfont[ok]
>
> =D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=97=D6=B7
>
> }
>
>
>
>
>
> \stoptext
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In your &quot;broken&quot; example, the patah below the he=
t is being moved to the right rather than staying under the middle of the h=
et? But the shift to the right is the correct behavior for furtive patah an=
d should be expected.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 8:06 PM Denis Maier via ntg-co=
ntext &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl">ntg-context@ntg.nl</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail-msg-2220386462599741942">





<div lang=3D"DE-CH" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-2220386462599741942WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m running into something weird with Hebrew=
 punctuation. <span lang=3D"FR-CH">
Consider the example below. SBL Hebrew gives me incorrect results when ther=
e=E2=80=99s a vaw with a holam =3D
</span><span lang=3D"HE" dir=3D"RTL" style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"=
>=EF=AD=8B</span><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><span la=
ng=3D"HE"><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>
</span><span lang=3D"FR-CH">=C2=A0just before a chet with a patach =3D </sp=
an><span lang=3D"HE" dir=3D"RTL" style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=D7=
=97=D6=B7</span><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><span lan=
g=3D"FR-CH"><span dir=3D"LTR"></span><span dir=3D"LTR"></span> =3D&gt;
 the patach below the chet ist misplaced.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If I remove the holam from the vaw, everything looks=
 ok. Oddly, in Linux Libertine I get the correct results in both cases. Doe=
s anyone know what the problem is here? User error? A bug in SBL Hebrew (wh=
ich would be very odd since that font
 should be designed specifically for that kind of stuff). A missing seeting=
?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Denis<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">\definefontfamily[notok][rm][SBL Hebrew][features=3D=
hebrew]<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">\definefontfamily[ok][rm][Linux Libertine O][feature=
s=3Dhebrew]<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal,=
method=3Dunicode]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\starttext<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Ok:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">{\switchtobodyfont[notok]<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"HE" dir=3D"RTL" style=3D"font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">=D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D7=97=D6=B7</sp=
an><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">}<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Broken:<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">{\switchtobodyfont[notok]<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"HE" dir=3D"RTL" style=3D"font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">=D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=97=D6=
=B7</span><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">}<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Linux Libertine works in both c=
ases:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Ok:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">{\switchtobodyfont[ok]<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"HE" dir=3D"RTL" style=3D"font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">=D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D7=97=D6=B7</sp=
an><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">}<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Ok:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">{\switchtobodyfont[ok]<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"HE" dir=3D"RTL" style=3D"font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">=D7=97=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=95=D6=BC=D7=97=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=97=D6=
=B7</span><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">}<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\stoptext<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>

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