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Schultz wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> In a way, it is correct that for compatibility reasons and and convert >> it is good to keep the old syntax. >> >> Yet, ConTeXt is suppose to be more natural. > > > I consider the \{ \} \| etc to be escapes for tex characters. In fact, if > one wants || in math then it's more natural to support || directly. > > >> Personally, I find some of the names used in TeX and LaTeX often >> hard to find. Whenever, I needed a function or symbol I to often >> go look it up. I mean that \vert and \Vert are still cryptic. They can >> stand >> for abs, for all in, etc. .. > > > a next step (already partially done) is that we organize the names in > dictionaries as in open math (a bit of work) > > >> Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, > > > me too and i wonder if we should have proper names as well i.e. use verbose > names as default (in char-def.lua) and define the short ones as synonyms (in > a tex file) > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Fine. In principal I've nothing against typing || for double bars (even though people moving from TeX/LaTeX probably will be used to | for one bar and \| for two bars). Some questions: * Can one expect to get the right (that is the same as \Vert gives) spacing by typing || (two bars) in ConTeXt in the future? * Sometimes one would like to write absoulte value of z times absolute value of w, i.e. |z| times |w|. What if one writes |z||w|, will the double bar in the middle be equivalent to \Vert? (That is not wanted) * Will it be possible to write \Bigl|| and \Bigr|| to scale both bars to other sizes? * What if one would like to have three bars with the same spacing between the bars as in \Vert? /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________