On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
Hi,

I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It
worked just fine.

At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but
research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt
and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt).

It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling
that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to
output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1]
l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with
source l.tex and c.tex for some examples.

In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from hackery solutions (for several reasons).

I agree it is good to avoid hackery as long as possible, and I for sure is ready to relearn how to write some things. With the examples I gave in the previous email in mind:

* How am I supposed to write first derivative (f') and second derivative (f'') in such a way that they have the same type of prime (the prime in the first derivative is the one I prefer)?
* How am I supposed to write f_xx'' to get the output as in the LaTeX example (i.e. so that the primes are over the xx)?
* Could the default placement of limits in integrals be changed (integral=nolimits)? This is how it is done in almost all math books).
* What about the size and finetuning of placement of indices in integrals and sums (and probably products, unions, ...)?
* I remember I suggested that \| should be double bars in a previous thread on this list. Is there any drawback in giving double bars for \|? Of course I can relearn and use \lVert and \rVert, but I have a feeling that if we want people moving from LaTeX to ConTeXt, then this is the kind of things that should just work as expected...

Best regards, Mikael

 

When it comes to math environments, I think that thanks to the
environments in http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf
<http://dl.contextgarden..net/myway/mathalign.pdf> we are OK. I

sometimes miss the multline(d) environment from LaTeX.

Best regards, Mikael

[1]
The attachments were too big, so I decided to put the pdf files on
http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/l.pdf
and
http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/c.pdf




On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar <hajtmar@gyza.cz
<mailto:hajtmar@gyza.cz>> wrote:

    Hello ConTeXist.
    I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution.

    For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on
    internet. I was looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in
    ConTeXt

    Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different
    things and I am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I
    typed, was maths represented only marginally and minimally. Now I
    need to type some mathematics (at secondary school level) and I
    found that I came across borders of my knowledge of ConTeXt, or on
    possibilities of ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics.
    I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt
    typesetting mathematics, although I think that who wants to type
    mathematics then use LaTeX.
    I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt
    for typesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math
    modules (exist anything?) to be usable results.

    I have a few questions:

    0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText
    or it is a general problem of ConTeXt?
    1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of
    non-elementary mathematics?
    2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt
    (thinking in the field of mathematics rate)?
    3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could
    bet mathematics at a reasonable level?
    4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g.
    in the future)?
    5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here?


    I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to
    typing of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool.

    Thanks for all the answers.

    Jaroslav Hajtmar


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