On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: >> Den 18 maj 2017 10:13 fm skrev "Otared Kavian" : >> >> Hi Hans, >> >> Thanks for your explanations. >> When using constructions such as $f’’_2(x)$, I will adapt my input in order >> to get what seems correct. >> >> Best regards: OK >> >>> On 17 May 2017, at 17:17, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> >>> On 5/17/2017 8:35 AM, Otared Kavian wrote: >>>> Hi Hans, >>>> >>>> Thanks for having fixed the behavior of the prime in the latest beta >>>> release (ConTeXt version 2017.05.15 21:48). >>>> However, as you may see in the two attached PDF files, the result is >>>> still incorrect when one types for example $f_2’’(x)$, which should give the >>>> same result as $f’’_2(x)$. >>>> The correct behaviour is that obtained with mkii. Indeed one can >>>> circumvent the behaviour of the latest beta release of mkiv by using tricks >>>> such as the ones in the example code below, but this should be avoided in my >>>> opinion. >>> >>> well, it depends on how one sees this '' mess >>> >>> the problem with primes is that in macro packages they are messy entities >>> that should collapse or not (active char mess) and the more clever a macro >>> packages becomes the harder it becomes to makes it robust and/or to fight >>> against such heuristics >>> >>> add to that the fact that the symbol itself is a funny positioned >>> something already raised in a font or not i.e. sometimes in need of >>> superscript and sometimes explicitly not >>> >>> for unicode we need to turn two '' into a double and ''' into a and triple >>> such >>> >>> that said, in context these thingies are at some point intercepted and >>> their current state is looked at: superscript? multipel in a row? one ebing >>> the nucleus of another ... etc .. the current (working again) behavior is >>> what we support and i don't look forward to more heuristics >>> >>> >>>> The following PDF have been obtained with mkii and mkiv with the >>>> following example code. >>>> Best regards: OK >>>> >>>> %%% begin derivatives-prime.tex >>>> \starttext >>>> >>>> \startformula >>>> f''_{2}(x) = f_{2}''(x) = f^{''}_{2}(x) = f_{2}^{''}(x) % = >>>> f^{{}^{''}}_{2}(x) >>>> \stopformula >>>> As one may see the result of \type{f_{2}''(x) = } $f_{2}''(x)$ is not >>>> correct in \type{mkiv}. >>>> >>>> The following positions of the superscripts \type{(3)} are correct both >>>> in \type{mkii} and in \type{mkiv}. >>>> \startformula >>>> f^{(3)}_{2}(x) = f_{2}^{(3)}(x) >>>> \stopformula >>>> >>>> \stoptext >>>> %%% end derivatives-prime.tex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >>>> the Wiki! >>>> >>>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >>>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE >>> Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands >>> tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >>> the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> OK, very good, it seems that we have a working solution and one specific way >> to write it. I have absolutely nothing against that, but I would like us >> (me?) to document it, since I think future users might have use of it. Is >> the math page in the wiki the right place? >> >> (It will take some time before I will be able to act. I'm currently >> travelling with close to no working connection.) >> >> /Mikael > > I'm sorry, but there seem to still be problems with primes. > > Look at the height of the primes in this document (ctx-listexample30.pdf). > > %%%% > %\definefallbackfamily [lucidaopentype][mm][Xits > Math][range={2660,2661,2662,2663,2664,2665,2666,2667}] > \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][rm][Lucida Bright OT] > \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][ss][Lucida Sans OT] > \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][tt][Lucida Sans Typewriter OT] > \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][mm][Lucida Bright Math OT] > > \setupbodyfont[lucidaopentype,10pt] > > \starttext > Look at $f'$ and $f''$ > \stoptext > %%%% > > If I uncomment the \definefallbackfamily, the result is the one given > in ctx-listexample30-var.pdf, look at the prime. It is still not > correct (and the double prime is wrong as in the first example). > > /Mikael Hi, I am now more confused. I tried in different fonts, and the result is attached. The difference in height of the prime and the double prime is confusing me. In some fonts the prime is above the double prime, in some the other way around (the worst is lucida, which perhaps is why I saw it in the first place). Does someone understand why this is so? Is it the fonts that are constructed like this? /Mikael PS The test file I used was the following, with the natural changes in fonts each time. \definefontfamily[myface][rm][TeX Gyre Pagella] \definefontfamily[myface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella Math] \setupbodyfont[myface,10pt] \starttext \startTEXpage[offset=2pt] $f'f''$ \stopTEXpage \stoptext