From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/87274 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mikael P. Sundqvist" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \pm set too low in MkIV? 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Rather, the > minus is aligned to the baseline, and the horizontal stroke of the plus > is above the baseline. I agree that it looks a bit strange with the > horizontal stroke of the plus sign not aligned with the horizontal > stroke of the plus/minus. Bt it looks even more jarring to have the > minus below the baseline, because the baseline is such a strong visual > line. > > I don't think I've ever the minus below the baseline in a math book, and > it looks very wrong to my eye. > > Pagella looks worse than the others, because it has a vertical gap > between the minus and the plus sign, so the depth below the baseline is > even larger. > >> (all can be achieved ... but the idea of lm/gyre fonts is to provide an >> acceptable consistent set ... at some point we can think of variants - >> or maybe the fonts have a variant already) > > I realize that it's not a ConTeXt problem, but is there a ConTeXt > workaround? Or better to go to the TeX guts and compute the depth of > the box, then use \raise{}? > > -Sanjoy > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Sanjoy, the following borrows the \pm sign from Asana (which also should be like palatino), which looks more "normal". % Start example \definefallbackfamily[mainface][math][Asana Math] [range={00B1-00B1}] \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Tex Gyre Pagella] \definefontfamily[mainface][math][Tex Gyre Pagella Math] \starttext \switchtobodyfont[pagella] Hello $\int x \pm 2 + a $\par \switchtobodyfont[asana] Hello $\int x \pm 2 + a $\par \switchtobodyfont[mainface] Hello $\int x \pm 2 + a $\par \stoptext % Stop example I guess one could do this for the other signs one don't like in TeX Gyre Pagella Math... /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________