From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/86237 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mikael P. 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It worked just fine. At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt). It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1] l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with source l.tex and c.tex for some examples. When it comes to math environments, I think that thanks to the environments in http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf we are OK. I sometimes miss the multline(d) environment from LaTeX. Best regards, Mikael [1] The attachments were too big, so I decided to put the pdf files on http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/l.pdf and http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/c.pdf On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: > Hello ConTeXist. > I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution. > > For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on internet. I > was looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in ConTeXt > > Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different things and > I am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I typed, was maths > represented only marginally and minimally. Now I need to type some > mathematics (at secondary school level) and I found that I came across > borders of my knowledge of ConTeXt, or on possibilities of ConTeXt for > typesetting of mathematics. > I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt typesetting > mathematics, although I think that who wants to type mathematics then use > LaTeX. > I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt for > typesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math modules > (exist anything?) to be usable results. > > I have a few questions: > > 0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText or it > is a general problem of ConTeXt? > 1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of > non-elementary mathematics? > 2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt (thinking in > the field of mathematics rate)? > 3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could bet > mathematics at a reasonable level? > 4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g. in the > future)? > 5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here? > > > I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to typing > of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool. > > Thanks for all the answers. > > Jaroslav Hajtmar > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ > listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________________ > --047d7b339c750baeb404f20910d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Math= ematics in 2008. It worked just fine.

At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but=20 research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt=20 and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt).

It certainly works OK=20 to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling that there are some=20 things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to output what=20 mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1] l.pdf (from LaTeX= ) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with source l.tex and c.tex for some examples.

When it comes to math environments, I = think that thanks to the environments in http://dl.contextgarden.net/myw= ay/mathalign.pdf we are OK. I sometimes miss the multline(d) environmen= t from LaTeX.

Best regards, Mikael

[1]
The attachments were too big, so I decided to put the pdf files on=
http://www.math= s.lth.se/~mickep/l.pdf
and
http://www.maths.l= th.se/~mickep/c.pdf




On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jaro= slav Hajtmar <hajtmar@gyza.cz> wrote:
Hello ConTeXist.
I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution.

For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on internet. I w= as looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in ConTeXt

Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different things and I= am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I typed, was maths represe= nted only marginally and minimally. Now I need to type some mathematics (at= secondary school level) and I found that I came across borders of my knowl= edge of ConTeXt, or on possibilities of ConTeXt for typesetting of mathemat= ics.
I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt typesetting m= athematics, although I think that who wants to type mathematics then use La= TeX.
I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt for ty= pesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math modules (exi= st anything?) to be usable results.

I have a few questions:

0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText or it = is a general problem of ConTeXt?
1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of non-elementar= y mathematics?
2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt (thinking in = the field of mathematics rate)?
3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could bet math= ematics at a reasonable level?
4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g. in the = future)?
5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here?


I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to typing = of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool.

Thanks for all the answers.

Jaroslav Hajtmar


_____________________________________________________________= ______________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage =A0: http://= www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive =A0: http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki =A0 =A0 : http:= //contextgarden.net
_____________________________________________________________= ______________________

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