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The following code used to work, but now it gives an error: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=3Dnode,script=3Dhebr,language=3Ddf= lt,mark=3Dyes,ccmp=3Dyes] \setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=3Dhebrew] \setupdirections[bidi=3Don] \starttext =D7=91=D6=B0=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =D7=91=D6=B8= =D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=D6=B4=D6=91=D7=99= =D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6=96= =D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7=90= =D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5 \stoptext The following variant (without "script=3Dhebr") compiles but the vowels are misplaced (not centered below the letters), which "ccmp=3Dyes" (see http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/features_ae.htm#ccmp) is supposed to request: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=3Dnode,language=3Ddflt,mark=3Dyes,= ccmp=3Dyes] \setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=3Dhebrew] \setupdirections[bidi=3Don] \starttext =D7=91=D6=B0=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =D7=91=D6=B8= =D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=D6=B4=D6=91=D7=99= =D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6=96= =D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7=90= =D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5 \stoptext The problem in definefontfeature seems to be that the feature "ccmp=3Dyes" = is not taking effect, and the feature "script=3Dhebr" generates an error. Thank you very much for your advice. Michael On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Michael Ash wrote: > This seems to have broken in my latest upgrade. The diacriticals (vowels= ) > are no longer centered under the Hebrew lettes. They are now misaligned > again. > > Also, the script=3Dhebr option in definefontfeature now generates an erro= r > (see the original code in the second message). The following code works b= ut > with misaligned vowels. So the ccmp option doesn't seem to be working > anymore. > > \usemodule[simplefonts] > \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][ccmp=3Dyes,mark=3Dyes] > \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=3Dhebrew] > \setupalign[r2l] > \starttext > =D7=91=D6=B0=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =D7=91=D6=B8= =D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=D6=B4=D6=91=D7=99= =D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6=96= =D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7=90= =D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5 > \stoptext > > > Thank you very much for suggestions. > > Best, > Michael > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Michael Ash wrote= : > >> There is a nice answer from W. Schuster to the vowel placement question >> in the archives at >> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2011/059969.html (I didn't find >> it because the subject is "Misaligned Marks" rather than "Hebrew vowel >> placement" but it resolves the question. (Idris's suggestions regarding >> options to \definefontfeature were right on -- thanks) and I also learn= ed >> more about \setupalign http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign >> >> " >> *I am trying to set some text in Hebrew with diacritical marks, and >> whenever there is a diacritical that's supposed to come in the middle of= a >> letter, all the marks are coming off misaligned, right after the glyph >> rather than in the middle of it (or wherever they're supposed to be)." * >> >> Solution: >> >> \usemodule[simplefonts] >> >> \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][script=3Dhebr,ccmp=3Dyes,mark=3Dyes] >> >> \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=3Dhebrew] >> >> \setupalign[r2l] >> >> \starttext >> =D7=91=D6=B0=D6=BC=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D7=81=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA= =D7=91=D6=B8=D6=BC=D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94= =D6=B4=D6=91=D7=99=D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8= =D6=BC=D7=81=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6=96=D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5= =D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7=90=D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5 >> \stoptext >> >> >> >> Thanks all. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Michael Ash wrot= e: >> >>> Thank you. The unicode text looked good (although reversed left-to-righ= t >>> as I sent it) in my sent mail, and it looked perfect (corrected >>> right-to-left) in your response. But it did not look good in the diges= t >>> email (all the letters were convered to ?'s). >>> >>> Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vowel placement. >>> Any suggestions there? Thank you again. >>> >>> Yours, >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1= =D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF < >>> ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings, Michael, >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your Unicode text came through perfectly: >>>> >>>> >>>> \textdir TRT >>>>> \hebrew >>>>> =D7=9C=D6=B8=D7=9B=D6=B5=D7=9F =D7=97=D6=B7=D7=9B=D6=BC=D7=95=D6=BC= =D6=BE=D7=9C=D6=B4=D7=99 =D7=A0=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=BB=D7=9D=D6=BE=D7=99=D6=B0= =D7=94=D7=95=D6=B8=D7=94 =D7=9C=D6=B0=D7=99=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=9D =D7=A7=D7=95= =D6=BC=D7=9E=D6=B4=D7=99 =D7=9C=D6=B0=D7=A2=D6=B7=D7=93 =D7=9B=D6=BC=D6=B4= =D7=99 =D7=9E=D6=B4=D7=A9=D7=81=D6=B0=D7=A4=D6=BC=D6=B8=D7=98=D6=B4=D7=99 >>>>> =D7=9C=D6=B6=D7=90=D6=B1=D7=A1=D6=B9=D7=A3 =D7=92=D6=BC=D7=95=D6=B9= =D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=9C=D6=B0=D7=A7=D6=B8=D7=91=D6=B0=D7=A6=D6=B4=D7=99 = =D7=9E=D6=B7=D7=9E=D6=B0=D7=9C=D6=B8=D7=9B=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=AA =D7=9C=D6=B4= =D7=A9=D7=81=D6=B0=D7=A4=D6=BC=D6=B9=D7=9A=D6=B0 =D7=A2=D6=B2=D7=9C=D6=B5= =D7=99=D7=94=D6=B6=D7=9D =D7=96=D6=B7=D7=A2=D6=B0=D7=9E=D6=B4=D7=99 =D7=9B= =D6=BC=D6=B9=D7=9C >>>>> =D7=97=D6=B2=D7=A8=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=9F =D7=90=D6=B7=D7=A4=D6=BC=D6=B4= =D7=99 =D7=9B=D6=BC=D6=B4=D7=99 =D7=91=D6=BC=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D7=A9=D7=81 = =D7=A7=D6=B4=D7=A0=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B8=D7=AA=D6=B4=D7=99 =D7=AA=D6=BC=D6=B5= =D7=90=D6=B8=D7=9B=D6=B5=D7=9C =D7=9B=D6=BC=D6=B8=D7=9C=D6=BE=D7=94=D6=B8= =D7=90=D6=B8=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5=D7=83 >>>>> \stoptext >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe the encoding of your browser/mail-client needs to be set to >>>> "Unicode" ("Automatic" usually works too). >>>> >>>> For high-level text-direction control, you may experiment with >>>> >>>> \righttoleft >>>> \lefttoright >>>> >>>> as well as >>>> >>>> \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal] >>>> \setupdirections[bidi=3Dlocal] >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> Idris >>>> -- >>>> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid >>>> Department of Philosophy >>>> Colorado State University >>>> Fort Collins, CO 80523 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics >>> Professor of Economics and Public Policy >>> University of Massachusetts >>> Amherst, MA 01003 >>> Email mash@econs.umass.edu >>> Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics >> Professor of Economics and Public Policy >> University of Massachusetts >> Amherst, MA 01003 >> Email mash@econs.umass.edu >> Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash >> > > > > -- > Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics > Professor of Economics and Public Policy > University of Massachusetts Amherst > Amherst, MA 01003 > Email mash@econs.umass.edu > Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter https://twitter.com/michaelaoash > --=20 Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics Professor of Economics and Public Policy University of Massachusetts Amherst Amherst, MA 01003 Email mash@econs.umass.edu Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter https://twitter.com/michaelaoash --001a113a66228597aa04f86f111a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
May I bump?

The following code used to = work, but now it gives an error:

\u= semodule[simplefonts]
\definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=3D= node,script=3Dhebr,language=3Ddflt,mark=3Dyes,ccmp=3Dyes]
\setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=3Dhebrew]
\setu= pdirections[bidi=3Don]
\starttext
=D7=91=D6=B0= =D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =D7=91=D6=B8=D7=A8=D6=B8= =D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=D6=B4=D6=91=D7=99=D7=9D =D7=90= =D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6=96=D7=99=D6=B4= =D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7=90=D6=B8=D6=BD= =D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5
\stoptext

The following variant (without "script=3Dheb= r") compiles but the vowels are misplaced (not centered below the lett= ers), which "ccmp=3Dyes" (see http://www.microsoft.com/typograph= y/otspec/features_ae.htm#ccmp)=C2=A0is supposed to request:

\usemodule[simplefonts]
\definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=3Dnode,language=3Ddflt,ma= rk=3Dyes,ccmp=3Dyes]
\setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=3Dheb= rew]
\setupdirections[bidi=3Don]
\starttext
=D7=91=D6=B0=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =D7=91=D6= =B8=D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=D6=B4=D6=91=D7= =99=D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6= =96=D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7= =90=D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5
\stoptext

<= /div>
The problem in definefontfeature seems to be that the feature &qu= ot;ccmp=3Dyes" is not taking effect, and the feature "script=3Dhe= br" generates an error.

Thank you very much for your advice.

Michael



On Thu, May 1, = 2014 at 1:28 AM, Michael Ash <= mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote:
This seems to have broken in my latest up= grade. =C2=A0The diacriticals (vowels) are no longer centered under the Heb= rew lettes. =C2=A0They are now misaligned again.

Also, the script=3Dhebr option in definefontfeature now gene= rates an error (see the original code in the second message). The following= code works but with misaligned vowels. So the ccmp option doesn't seem= to be working anymore.=C2=A0

\usemodule[simplefonts]
\definefontfeatu= re[hebrew][default][ccmp=3Dyes,mark=3Dyes]
\s= etmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=3Dhebrew]
\setupalign[r2l]
<= /div>
\starttext
=D7=91=D6=B0=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =D7= =91=D6=B8=D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=D6=B4=D6= =91=D7=99=D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=9E=D6= =B7=D6=96=D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6= =B8=D7=90=D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5
\stoptext


Thank you very much for suggestions. = =C2=A0

Best,
Michael




On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Mi= chael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu= > wrote:
There is a nice answer from W. Schuster to the vowel = placement question in the archives at=C2=A0http://www.ntg.nl/pi= permail/ntg-context/2011/059969.html=C2=A0(I didn't find it because= the subject is "Misaligned Marks" rather than "Hebrew vowel= placement" but it resolves the question. =C2=A0(Idris's suggestio= ns regarding options =C2=A0to \definefontfeature were right on -- thanks) a= nd I also learned more about \setupalign=C2=A0http://wiki.contextgarden= .net/Command/setupalign

"I am trying to set some text in Hebrew with di= acritical marks, and whenever there is a diacritical that's supposed to= come in the middle of a letter, all the marks are coming off misaligned, r= ight after the glyph rather than in the middle of it (or wherever they'= re supposed to be)."

Solution:
\usemodule[simplefon=
ts]

\definefontfeature[hebrew][default][script=3Dhebr,ccmp=3Dyes,mark=3Dyes]

\setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=3Dhebrew]

\setupalign[r2l]

\starttext
=D7=91=D6=B0=D6=BC=D7=A8=D6=B5=D7=90=D7=A9=D6=B4=D7=81=D6=96=D7=99=D7=AA =
=D7=91=D6=B8=D6=BC=D7=A8=D6=B8=D6=A3=D7=90 =D7=90=D6=B1=D7=9C=D6=B9=D7=94=
=D6=B4=D6=91=D7=99=D7=9D =D7=90=D6=B5=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B7=D7=A9=D6=B8=
=D6=BC=D7=81=D7=9E=D6=B7=D6=96=D7=99=D6=B4=D7=9D =D7=95=D6=B0=D7=90=D6=B5=
=D6=A5=D7=AA =D7=94=D6=B8=D7=90=D6=B8=D6=BD=D7=A8=D6=B6=D7=A5
\stoptext


Thanks all.
<= div>




On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote:
Thank you. The unicode text looked good (although reversed= left-to-right as I sent it) in my sent mail, and it looked perfect (correc= ted right-to-left) in your response. =C2=A0But it did not look good in the = digest email (all the letters were convered to ?'s). =C2=A0

Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vow= el placement. =C2=A0Any suggestions there? =C2=A0Thank you again.

Yours,
Michael


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On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Idris Samawi H= amid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD= =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF <ishamid@c= olostate.edu> wrote:
Greetings, Michael,


On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash <= mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote:

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Best wishes
Idris
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Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523



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University of Massachusetts Amherst
Amherst, MA 01003
Email=C2=A0mash@econs.umass.edu
Tel +1-413-545-2590=C2=A0Twitter=C2=A0https://twitter.com/michaelaoash



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