* Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt.
@ 2013-06-17 16:07 Michael Ash
2013-06-17 16:15 ` Michael Ash
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
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I am new to ConTeXt and very impressed. Much thanks to Hans Hagen and Idris
Samawi Hamid for an excellent introduction.
I am using the Hebrew Ezra SIL Hebrew Unicode Fonts. My question concerns
the placement of the Hebrew vowel points ("niqqud"). For most letters, the
vowel points are placed too far to the left, as opposed to centered
directly under the letter.
A short example follows. For some of the letters, e.g., "Hebrew Letter
Alef With Qamats" (kind of a t-shaped vowel underneath the alef), the vowel
is correctly centered. For others it appears incorrectly to the left.
(This may be connected with whether the letter+vowel is packaged as a
single character or whether it is being composed on the fly.)
I have used the same font in several predecessor programs (the makor
package for lamed and the cjhebrew package for LaTeX) and the vowels points
are placed correctly.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions regarding adjusting the
placement of the vowel points. (ConTeXt version info is at the end of the
message.)
Thank you,
Michael
\definefontfeature[hebrew][arabic][script=hebr]
\definefont[hebrew][name:ezrasil]
\starttext
Zephania 3:8 includes all of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet, the
equivalent of \quotation{The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs} in
English.
\startalignment[left]
\textdir TRT
\hebrew
לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי לֶאֱסֹף
גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל חֲרוֹן אַפִּי
כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃
\stoptext
Here is the ConTeXt version and operating system:
$ uname -a
Linux mash-laptop 3.8.0-23-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 29 20:24:54 UTC
2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
$ context --version
mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 0.60
mtx-context |
mtx-context | main context file:
/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/context.mkiv
mtx-context | current version: 2013.06.04 23:52
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2013-06-17 16:07 Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 16:15 ` Michael Ash 2013-06-17 16:22 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد [not found] ` <12604_1371486185_51BF37E9_12604_399_1_op.wytzrxjlpw6hmh@ishamid-pc> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2800 bytes --] PS I see that the Hebrew text did not come through the list email (at least not on the version that I received). Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? Best, Michael On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > I am new to ConTeXt and very impressed. Much thanks to Hans Hagen and Idris > Samawi Hamid for an excellent introduction. > > I am using the Hebrew Ezra SIL Hebrew Unicode Fonts. My question concerns > the placement of the Hebrew vowel points ("niqqud"). For most letters, the > vowel points are placed too far to the left, as opposed to centered > directly under the letter. > > A short example follows. For some of the letters, e.g., "Hebrew Letter > Alef With Qamats" (kind of a t-shaped vowel underneath the alef), the vowel > is correctly centered. For others it appears incorrectly to the left. > (This may be connected with whether the letter+vowel is packaged as a > single character or whether it is being composed on the fly.) > > I have used the same font in several predecessor programs (the makor > package for lamed and the cjhebrew package for LaTeX) and the vowels points > are placed correctly. > > Please let me know if you have any suggestions regarding adjusting the > placement of the vowel points. (ConTeXt version info is at the end of the > message.) > > Thank you, > Michael > > > \definefontfeature[hebrew][arabic][script=hebr] > \definefont[hebrew][name:ezrasil] > > \starttext > > Zephania 3:8 includes all of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet, the > equivalent of \quotation{The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs} in > English. > > \startalignment[left] > > \textdir TRT > \hebrew > לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי לֶאֱסֹף > גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל חֲרוֹן אַפִּי > כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃ > \stoptext > > > > > Here is the ConTeXt version and operating system: > > $ uname -a > Linux mash-laptop 3.8.0-23-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 29 20:24:54 UTC > 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux > > $ context --version > mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 0.60 > mtx-context | > mtx-context | main context file: > /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/context.mkiv > mtx-context | current version: 2013.06.04 23:52 > > > > -- Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics Professor of Economics and Public Policy University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 Email mash@econs.umass.edu Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3906 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2013-06-17 16:15 ` Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 16:22 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد [not found] ` <12604_1371486185_51BF37E9_12604_399_1_op.wytzrxjlpw6hmh@ishamid-pc> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2013-06-17 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context, Michael Ash Greetings, Michael, On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? Your Unicode text came through perfectly: > \textdir TRT > \hebrew > לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי > לֶאֱסֹף גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל > חֲרוֹן אַפִּי כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃ > \stoptext Maybe the encoding of your browser/mail-client needs to be set to "Unicode" ("Automatic" usually works too). For high-level text-direction control, you may experiment with \righttoleft \lefttoright as well as \setupdirections[bidi=global] \setupdirections[bidi=local] Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. [not found] ` <12604_1371486185_51BF37E9_12604_399_1_op.wytzrxjlpw6hmh@ishamid-pc> @ 2013-06-17 16:31 ` Michael Ash 2013-06-17 16:42 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 2013-06-17 18:18 ` Michael Ash 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد Cc: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1862 bytes --] Thank you. The unicode text looked good (although reversed left-to-right as I sent it) in my sent mail, and it looked perfect (corrected right-to-left) in your response. But it did not look good in the digest email (all the letters were convered to ?'s). Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vowel placement. Any suggestions there? Thank you again. Yours, Michael On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد < ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > Greetings, Michael, > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> > wrote: > > Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? >> > > Your Unicode text came through perfectly: > > > \textdir TRT >> \hebrew >> לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי >> לֶאֱסֹף גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל >> חֲרוֹן אַפִּי כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃ >> \stoptext >> > > Maybe the encoding of your browser/mail-client needs to be set to > "Unicode" ("Automatic" usually works too). > > For high-level text-direction control, you may experiment with > > \righttoleft > \lefttoright > > as well as > > \setupdirections[bidi=global] > \setupdirections[bidi=local] > > Best wishes > Idris > -- > Professor Idris Samawi Hamid > Department of Philosophy > Colorado State University > Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics Professor of Economics and Public Policy University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 Email mash@econs.umass.edu Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2799 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2013-06-17 16:31 ` Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 16:42 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 2013-06-17 17:16 ` Hans Hagen 2013-06-17 18:18 ` Michael Ash 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2013-06-17 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:31:12 -0600, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vowel placement. > Any suggestions there? Thank you again. You probably need the opentype features activated. Ezra has two features from what I can tell, so try something like this (totally untested): \definefontfeature [silezra] [mode=node,language=dflt,script=hbr, mark=yes,ccmp=yes] \definedfont[EzraSIL*silezra at 14pt]לָכֵן For mark and ccmp see http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/featurelist.htm Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2013-06-17 16:42 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2013-06-17 17:16 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-06-17 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد On 6/17/2013 6:42 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > \definefontfeature > [silezra] > [mode=node,language=dflt,script=hbr, > mark=yes,ccmp=yes] > > \definedfont[EzraSIL*silezra at 14pt]לָכֵן it's 'hebr' (otherwise no proper mark placement) \starttext \definefontfeature [silezra] [default] [mode=node,language=dflt,script=hebr,mark=yes,ccmp=yes] \showotfcomposition{file:sileot*silezra}{r2l}{לָכֵן} \stoptext ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2013-06-17 16:31 ` Michael Ash 2013-06-17 16:42 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2013-06-17 18:18 ` Michael Ash 2014-05-01 5:28 ` Michael Ash 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Ash @ 2013-06-17 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد Cc: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3351 bytes --] There is a nice answer from W. Schuster to the vowel placement question in the archives at http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2011/059969.html (I didn't find it because the subject is "Misaligned Marks" rather than "Hebrew vowel placement" but it resolves the question. (Idris's suggestions regarding options to \definefontfeature were right on -- thanks) and I also learned more about \setupalign http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign "*I am trying to set some text in Hebrew with diacritical marks, and whenever there is a diacritical that's supposed to come in the middle of a letter, all the marks are coming off misaligned, right after the glyph rather than in the middle of it (or wherever they're supposed to be)." * Solution: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][script=hebr,ccmp=yes,mark=yes] \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=hebrew] \setupalign[r2l] \starttext בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ \stoptext Thanks all. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > Thank you. The unicode text looked good (although reversed left-to-right > as I sent it) in my sent mail, and it looked perfect (corrected > right-to-left) in your response. But it did not look good in the digest > email (all the letters were convered to ?'s). > > Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vowel placement. Any > suggestions there? Thank you again. > > Yours, > Michael > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد < > ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > >> Greetings, Michael, >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> >> wrote: >> >> Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? >>> >> >> Your Unicode text came through perfectly: >> >> >> \textdir TRT >>> \hebrew >>> לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי >>> לֶאֱסֹף גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל >>> חֲרוֹן אַפִּי כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃ >>> \stoptext >>> >> >> Maybe the encoding of your browser/mail-client needs to be set to >> "Unicode" ("Automatic" usually works too). >> >> For high-level text-direction control, you may experiment with >> >> \righttoleft >> \lefttoright >> >> as well as >> >> \setupdirections[bidi=global] >> \setupdirections[bidi=local] >> >> Best wishes >> Idris >> -- >> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid >> Department of Philosophy >> Colorado State University >> Fort Collins, CO 80523 > > > > > -- > Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics > Professor of Economics and Public Policy > University of Massachusetts > Amherst, MA 01003 > Email mash@econs.umass.edu > Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash > -- Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics Professor of Economics and Public Policy University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 Email mash@econs.umass.edu Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 5010 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2013-06-17 18:18 ` Michael Ash @ 2014-05-01 5:28 ` Michael Ash 2014-05-02 18:36 ` Michael Ash 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Ash @ 2014-05-01 5:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4559 bytes --] This seems to have broken in my latest upgrade. The diacriticals (vowels) are no longer centered under the Hebrew lettes. They are now misaligned again. Also, the script=hebr option in definefontfeature now generates an error (see the original code in the second message). The following code works but with misaligned vowels. So the ccmp option doesn't seem to be working anymore. \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][ccmp=yes,mark=yes] \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=hebrew] \setupalign[r2l] \starttext בְרֵאשִ֖ית בָרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ \stoptext Thank you very much for suggestions. Best, Michael On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > There is a nice answer from W. Schuster to the vowel placement question in > the archives at http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2011/059969.html (I > didn't find it because the subject is "Misaligned Marks" rather than > "Hebrew vowel placement" but it resolves the question. (Idris's > suggestions regarding options to \definefontfeature were right on -- > thanks) and I also learned more about \setupalign > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign > > " > *I am trying to set some text in Hebrew with diacritical marks, and > whenever there is a diacritical that's supposed to come in the middle of a > letter, all the marks are coming off misaligned, right after the glyph > rather than in the middle of it (or wherever they're supposed to be)." * > > Solution: > > \usemodule[simplefonts] > > \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][script=hebr,ccmp=yes,mark=yes] > > \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=hebrew] > > \setupalign[r2l] > > \starttext > בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ > \stoptext > > > > Thanks all. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu>wrote: > >> Thank you. The unicode text looked good (although reversed left-to-right >> as I sent it) in my sent mail, and it looked perfect (corrected >> right-to-left) in your response. But it did not look good in the digest >> email (all the letters were convered to ?'s). >> >> Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vowel placement. >> Any suggestions there? Thank you again. >> >> Yours, >> Michael >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد < >> ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, Michael, >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? >>>> >>> >>> Your Unicode text came through perfectly: >>> >>> >>> \textdir TRT >>>> \hebrew >>>> לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי >>>> לֶאֱסֹף גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל >>>> חֲרוֹן אַפִּי כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃ >>>> \stoptext >>>> >>> >>> Maybe the encoding of your browser/mail-client needs to be set to >>> "Unicode" ("Automatic" usually works too). >>> >>> For high-level text-direction control, you may experiment with >>> >>> \righttoleft >>> \lefttoright >>> >>> as well as >>> >>> \setupdirections[bidi=global] >>> \setupdirections[bidi=local] >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Idris >>> -- >>> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid >>> Department of Philosophy >>> Colorado State University >>> Fort Collins, CO 80523 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics >> Professor of Economics and Public Policy >> University of Massachusetts >> Amherst, MA 01003 >> Email mash@econs.umass.edu >> Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash >> > > > > -- > Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics > Professor of Economics and Public Policy > University of Massachusetts > Amherst, MA 01003 > Email mash@econs.umass.edu > Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash > -- Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics Professor of Economics and Public Policy University of Massachusetts Amherst Amherst, MA 01003 Email mash@econs.umass.edu Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter https://twitter.com/michaelaoash [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 8462 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2014-05-01 5:28 ` Michael Ash @ 2014-05-02 18:36 ` Michael Ash 2014-05-02 22:58 ` Rik Kabel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Michael Ash @ 2014-05-02 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6222 bytes --] May I bump? The following code used to work, but now it gives an error: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=node,script=hebr,language=dflt,mark=yes,ccmp=yes] \setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=hebrew] \setupdirections[bidi=on] \starttext בְרֵאשִ֖ית בָרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ \stoptext The following variant (without "script=hebr") compiles but the vowels are misplaced (not centered below the letters), which "ccmp=yes" (see http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/features_ae.htm#ccmp) is supposed to request: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=node,language=dflt,mark=yes,ccmp=yes] \setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=hebrew] \setupdirections[bidi=on] \starttext בְרֵאשִ֖ית בָרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ \stoptext The problem in definefontfeature seems to be that the feature "ccmp=yes" is not taking effect, and the feature "script=hebr" generates an error. Thank you very much for your advice. Michael On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > This seems to have broken in my latest upgrade. The diacriticals (vowels) > are no longer centered under the Hebrew lettes. They are now misaligned > again. > > Also, the script=hebr option in definefontfeature now generates an error > (see the original code in the second message). The following code works but > with misaligned vowels. So the ccmp option doesn't seem to be working > anymore. > > \usemodule[simplefonts] > \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][ccmp=yes,mark=yes] > \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=hebrew] > \setupalign[r2l] > \starttext > בְרֵאשִ֖ית בָרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ > \stoptext > > > Thank you very much for suggestions. > > Best, > Michael > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> wrote: > >> There is a nice answer from W. Schuster to the vowel placement question >> in the archives at >> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2011/059969.html (I didn't find >> it because the subject is "Misaligned Marks" rather than "Hebrew vowel >> placement" but it resolves the question. (Idris's suggestions regarding >> options to \definefontfeature were right on -- thanks) and I also learned >> more about \setupalign http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign >> >> " >> *I am trying to set some text in Hebrew with diacritical marks, and >> whenever there is a diacritical that's supposed to come in the middle of a >> letter, all the marks are coming off misaligned, right after the glyph >> rather than in the middle of it (or wherever they're supposed to be)." * >> >> Solution: >> >> \usemodule[simplefonts] >> >> \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][script=hebr,ccmp=yes,mark=yes] >> >> \setmainfont[Ezra SIL][features=hebrew] >> >> \setupalign[r2l] >> >> \starttext >> בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ >> \stoptext >> >> >> >> Thanks all. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu>wrote: >> >>> Thank you. The unicode text looked good (although reversed left-to-right >>> as I sent it) in my sent mail, and it looked perfect (corrected >>> right-to-left) in your response. But it did not look good in the digest >>> email (all the letters were convered to ?'s). >>> >>> Also it's typesetting fine in ConTeXt except for the vowel placement. >>> Any suggestions there? Thank you again. >>> >>> Yours, >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد < >>> ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings, Michael, >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:15:11 -0600, Michael Ash <mash@econs.umass.edu> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a standard way to send unicode text to this list? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your Unicode text came through perfectly: >>>> >>>> >>>> \textdir TRT >>>>> \hebrew >>>>> לָכֵן חַכּוּ־לִי נְאֻם־יְהוָה לְיוֹם קוּמִי לְעַד כִּי מִשְׁפָּטִי >>>>> לֶאֱסֹף גּוֹיִם לְקָבְצִי מַמְלָכוֹת לִשְׁפֹּךְ עֲלֵיהֶם זַעְמִי כֹּל >>>>> חֲרוֹן אַפִּי כִּי בְּאֵשׁ קִנְאָתִי תֵּאָכֵל כָּל־הָאָרֶץ׃ >>>>> \stoptext >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe the encoding of your browser/mail-client needs to be set to >>>> "Unicode" ("Automatic" usually works too). >>>> >>>> For high-level text-direction control, you may experiment with >>>> >>>> \righttoleft >>>> \lefttoright >>>> >>>> as well as >>>> >>>> \setupdirections[bidi=global] >>>> \setupdirections[bidi=local] >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> Idris >>>> -- >>>> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid >>>> Department of Philosophy >>>> Colorado State University >>>> Fort Collins, CO 80523 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics >>> Professor of Economics and Public Policy >>> University of Massachusetts >>> Amherst, MA 01003 >>> Email mash@econs.umass.edu >>> Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics >> Professor of Economics and Public Policy >> University of Massachusetts >> Amherst, MA 01003 >> Email mash@econs.umass.edu >> Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter @michaelaoash >> > > > > -- > Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics > Professor of Economics and Public Policy > University of Massachusetts Amherst > Amherst, MA 01003 > Email mash@econs.umass.edu > Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter https://twitter.com/michaelaoash > -- Michael Ash, Chair, Department of Economics Professor of Economics and Public Policy University of Massachusetts Amherst Amherst, MA 01003 Email mash@econs.umass.edu Tel +1-413-545-2590 Twitter https://twitter.com/michaelaoash [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 11564 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Hebrew vowel placement in ConTeXt. 2014-05-02 18:36 ` Michael Ash @ 2014-05-02 22:58 ` Rik Kabel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-05-02 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1636 bytes --] On 2014-05-02 14:36, Michael Ash wrote: > May I bump? > > The following code used to work, but now it gives an error: > > \usemodule[simplefonts] > \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=node,script=hebr,language=dflt,mark=yes,ccmp=yes] > \setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=hebrew] > \setupdirections[bidi=on] > \starttext > ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ???????? > \stoptext > > The following variant (without "script=hebr") compiles but the vowels > are misplaced (not centered below the letters), which "ccmp=yes" (see > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/features_ae.htm#ccmp) is > supposed to request: > > \usemodule[simplefonts] > \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][mode=node,language=dflt,mark=yes,ccmp=yes] > \setmainfont[Ezra SIL SR][features=hebrew] > \setupdirections[bidi=on] > \starttext > ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ???????? > \stoptext > > The problem in definefontfeature seems to be that the feature > "ccmp=yes" is not taking effect, and the feature "script=hebr" > generates an error. > > Thank you very much for your advice. > > Michael Michael, Sorry to say, no problem here with your example, and trimming the second line even further to \definefontfeature[hebrew][default][script=hebr,ccmp=yes] still produces results with no errors and proper nikkud alignment (run on a system running Windows 8.1 x64 and ConTeXt standalone 2014-04-28 standard and jit). Similarly, no problem with traditional font definition without simplefonts. What platform are you using, what version of Ezra SIL SR (likely 2.51, but worth asking)? -- rik kabel [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 4274 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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