* Indic fonts with MkIV and
@ 2020-12-19 1:47 Robert Zydenbos
2020-12-19 2:42 ` Jairo A. del Rio
2020-12-19 8:10 ` Wolfgang Schuster
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Robert Zydenbos @ 2020-12-19 1:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear all,
Recently I read about the use of Harfbuzz-enhanced LuaTeX with LaTeX for writing Arabic. Following that example, I wrote a minimal test text that worked excellently for Kannada script as well:
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\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Kedage}[RawFeature={mode=harf;script=knda;}]
\begin{document}
ಇದು ಹೇಗಿದೆ? ನಾನು ಹೀಗೆ ತುಂಬ ಬರೆಯಬೇಕೆಂದು ಯೋಚಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ.
\end{document}
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I want to do this in ConTeXt too! Can anyone tell me how to translate “\setmainfont{Kedage}[RawFeature={mode=harf;script=knda;}]” into ConTeXt? This could be the key to using MkIV with Indic scripts.
Robert
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 1:47 Indic fonts with MkIV and Robert Zydenbos @ 2020-12-19 2:42 ` Jairo A. del Rio 2020-12-19 14:06 ` Robert Zydenbos 2020-12-19 8:10 ` Wolfgang Schuster 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Jairo A. del Rio @ 2020-12-19 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1687 bytes --] You need to use the LuaHBTeX backend which isn't actually supported by ConTeXt (and Hans doesn't like it either, I think). There's a plugin mode, however. If not in the mailing list, more info about Harfbuzz in ConTeXt is available in some articles. Regards, Jairo El vie., 18 de dic. de 2020 9:24 p. m., Robert Zydenbos < context@zydenbos.net> escribió: > Dear all, > > Recently I read about the use of Harfbuzz-enhanced LuaTeX with LaTeX for > writing Arabic. Following that example, I wrote a minimal test text that > worked excellently for Kannada script as well: > > ----- > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage{fontspec} > > \setmainfont{Kedage}[RawFeature={mode=harf;script=knda;}] > > \begin{document} > ಇದು ಹೇಗಿದೆ? ನಾನು ಹೀಗೆ ತುಂಬ ಬರೆಯಬೇಕೆಂದು ಯೋಚಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ. > \end{document} > ----- > > I want to do this in ConTeXt too! Can anyone tell me how to translate > “\setmainfont{Kedage}[RawFeature={mode=harf;script=knda;}]” into ConTeXt? > This could be the key to using MkIV with Indic scripts. > > Robert > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2597 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 2:42 ` Jairo A. del Rio @ 2020-12-19 14:06 ` Robert Zydenbos 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Robert Zydenbos @ 2020-12-19 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 19.12.20 03:42, Jairo A. del Rio wrote: > You need to use the LuaHBTeX backend which isn't actually supported by ConTeXt (and Hans doesn't like it either, I think). There's a plugin mode, however. If not in the mailing list, more info about Harfbuzz in ConTeXt is available in some articles. I tried Wolfgang's amendment (see his posting) just now using MacTeX 2020, and the plain LuaTeX without Harfbuzz worked well too. Regards, Robert ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 1:47 Indic fonts with MkIV and Robert Zydenbos 2020-12-19 2:42 ` Jairo A. del Rio @ 2020-12-19 8:10 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2020-12-19 13:59 ` Robert Zydenbos 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-12-19 8:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Robert Zydenbos schrieb am 19.12.2020 um 02:47: > Dear all, > > Recently I read about the use of Harfbuzz-enhanced LuaTeX with LaTeX for writing Arabic. Following that example, I wrote a minimal test text that worked excellently for Kannada script as well: > > ----- > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage{fontspec} > > \setmainfont{Kedage}[RawFeature={mode=harf;script=knda;}] > > \begin{document} > ಇದು ಹೇಗಿದೆ? ನಾನು ಹೀಗೆ ತುಂಬ ಬರೆಯಬೇಕೆಂದು ಯೋಚಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ. > \end{document} > ----- > > I want to do this in ConTeXt too! Can anyone tell me how to translate “\setmainfont{Kedage}[RawFeature={mode=harf;script=knda;}]” into ConTeXt? This could be the key to using MkIV with Indic scripts. %\definefontfamily [kannada] [rm] [Kedage] [features=kannada-one] \definefontfamily [kannada] [ss] [Tunga] [features=kannada-one] \definetypeface [kannada] [mm] [math] [modern] \setupbodyfont [kannada] \starttext ಇದು ಹೇಗಿದೆ? ನಾನು ಹೀಗೆ ತುಂಬ ಬರೆಯಬೇಕೆಂದು ಯೋಚಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ. \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 8:10 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-12-19 13:59 ` Robert Zydenbos 2020-12-19 19:06 ` Pablo Rodriguez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Robert Zydenbos @ 2020-12-19 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 19.12.20 09:10, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: YES… YES! YES YES YES YES YES YES (I'm trying to express enthusiasm.) That's it! The remaining question here is: where do I find such magical expressions like "features=kannada-one"? (Why "kannada-one"? "One"???) If I know that, then (so I assume) I could do the very same with the other Indian scripts which I use in my work. Robert > \definefontfamily [kannada] [ss] [Tunga] [features=kannada-one] > > \definetypeface [kannada] [mm] [math] [modern] > > \setupbodyfont [kannada] > > \starttext > ಇದು ಹೇಗಿದೆ? ನಾನು ಹೀಗೆ ತುಂಬ ಬರೆಯಬೇಕೆಂದು ಯೋಚಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ. > \stoptext ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 13:59 ` Robert Zydenbos @ 2020-12-19 19:06 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2020-12-19 19:46 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-12-19 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 12/19/20 2:59 PM, Robert Zydenbos wrote: > On 19.12.20 09:10, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > YES… YES! > YES YES YES YES YES YES (I'm trying to express enthusiasm.) That's it! > > The remaining question here is: where do I find such magical > expressions like "features=kannada-one"? (Why "kannada-one"? > "One"???) If I know that, then (so I assume) I could do the very same > with the other Indian scripts which I use in my work. Hi Robert, this is from font-pre.mkxl (and I assume font-pre.mkiv [I mean, the same file for MkIV and LMTX). The features for Indic scripts seem to be (sorry, I’m totally ignorant outside the Latin or Greek scripts): devanagari-one, bengali-one, gujarati-one, gurmukhi-one, kannada-one, malayalam-one, oriya-one, tamil-one, telugu-one. There are one versions, because they are also two counterparts (devanagari-two, bengali-two, gujarati-two, gurmukhi-two, kannada-two, malayalam-two, oriya-two, tamil-two, telugu-two). What the OpenType specification includes as script tags (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/scripttags) contains second versions for what might be some (or all [I’m afraid I don’t know]) Indic scripts. Why are second versions? Using their own words: “The OpenType script tags can also correlate with a particular OpenType Layout implementation, with the result that more than one script tag may be registered for a given Unicode script (e.g. 'deva' and 'dev2').” I hope the description above might help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 19:06 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-12-19 19:46 ` Hans Hagen 2020-12-19 20:27 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2020-12-19 21:12 ` Pablo Rodriguez 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2020-12-19 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 12/19/2020 8:06 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > On 12/19/20 2:59 PM, Robert Zydenbos wrote: >> On 19.12.20 09:10, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: >> >> YES… YES! >> YES YES YES YES YES YES (I'm trying to express enthusiasm.) That's it! >> >> The remaining question here is: where do I find such magical >> expressions like "features=kannada-one"? (Why "kannada-one"? >> "One"???) If I know that, then (so I assume) I could do the very same >> with the other Indian scripts which I use in my work. > Hi Robert, > > this is from font-pre.mkxl (and I assume font-pre.mkiv [I mean, the same > file for MkIV and LMTX). > > The features for Indic scripts seem to be (sorry, I’m totally ignorant > outside the Latin or Greek scripts): devanagari-one, bengali-one, > gujarati-one, gurmukhi-one, kannada-one, malayalam-one, oriya-one, > tamil-one, telugu-one. > > There are one versions, because they are also two counterparts > (devanagari-two, bengali-two, gujarati-two, gurmukhi-two, kannada-two, > malayalam-two, oriya-two, tamil-two, telugu-two). > > What the OpenType specification includes as script tags > (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/scripttags) > contains second versions for what might be some (or all [I’m afraid I > don’t know]) Indic scripts. > > Why are second versions? Using their own words: > > “The OpenType script tags can also correlate with a particular OpenType > Layout implementation, with the result that more than one script tag may > be registered for a given Unicode script (e.g. 'deva' and 'dev2').” > > I hope the description above might help, can you wikify this? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 19:46 ` Hans Hagen @ 2020-12-19 20:27 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2020-12-19 21:12 ` Pablo Rodriguez 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-12-19 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 12/19/20 8:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: >> [...] >> I hope the description above might help, > can you wikify this? Of course. Although Robert should review it (to avoid the nonsense I may add to it) BTW, I wonder whether it would be possible to add hyphenation patterns for Kannada (Robert may benefit from that). It might be even worth considering adding hyphenation patterns for all Indic languages (https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen). Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 19:46 ` Hans Hagen 2020-12-19 20:27 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-12-19 21:12 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2020-12-20 0:00 ` Robert Zydenbos 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-12-19 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 12/19/20 8:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > [...] > can you wikify this? Wikified at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Indic_Scripts. Please, Robert, could you improve it? Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Indic fonts with MkIV and 2020-12-19 21:12 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-12-20 0:00 ` Robert Zydenbos 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Robert Zydenbos @ 2020-12-20 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context I'll do some testing and see what I can contribute. Robert On 19.12.20 22:12, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > On 12/19/20 8:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: >> [...] >> can you wikify this? > Wikified at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Indic_Scripts. > > Please, Robert, could you improve it? > > Many thanks for your help, > > Pablo ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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