Problem with Standalone

Problem with Standalone

[Henman]

I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.

Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP

Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:

#1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
   sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3

The following files are loaded:
  receiving incremental file list
	bin/
	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
	bin/cygwin1.dll
	bin/kpathsea620.dll
	bin/lua52.dll
	bin/luatex.dll
	bin/mtx-update.lua
	bin/mtxrun.dll
	bin/mtxrun.exe
	bin/mtxrun.lua
	bin/rsync.exe
	bin/texlua.exe


    When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:

    . /opt/context/tex/setuptex

NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.


Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?


Regards


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Re: Problem with Standalone

[hwitloc]

> 
> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
> 
> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
> 
> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
> 
> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>    sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
> 
> The following files are loaded:
>   receiving incremental file list
> 	bin/
> 	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
> 	bin/cygwin1.dll
> 	bin/kpathsea620.dll
> 	bin/lua52.dll
> 	bin/luatex.dll
> 	bin/mtx-update.lua
> 	bin/mtxrun.dll
> 	bin/mtxrun.exe
> 	bin/mtxrun.lua
> 	bin/rsync.exe
> 	bin/texlua.exe
> 
> 
The above only populated /opt/context/bin



>Re:     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
>        . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
> 
> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.

I mean there is no /opt/context/tex  so no /opt/context/tex/setuptex..


> 
> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?

Any suggestions are apprecaited.

Regards
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Re: Problem with Standalone

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/15/2014 7:56 AM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
>>
>> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
>>
>> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
>>
>> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>>     sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
>>
>> The following files are loaded:
>>    receiving incremental file list
>> 	bin/
>> 	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
>> 	bin/cygwin1.dll
>> 	bin/kpathsea620.dll
>> 	bin/lua52.dll
>> 	bin/luatex.dll
>> 	bin/mtx-update.lua
>> 	bin/mtxrun.dll
>> 	bin/mtxrun.exe
>> 	bin/mtxrun.lua
>> 	bin/rsync.exe
>> 	bin/texlua.exe
>>
>>
> The above only populated /opt/context/bin
>
>
>
>> Re:     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
>>         . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
>>
>> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
>
> I mean there is no /opt/context/tex  so no /opt/context/tex/setuptex..
>
>
>>
>> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?
>
> Any suggestions are apprecaited.

can you run ./firstsetup ?

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Re: Problem with Standalone

[hwitloc]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 1/15/2014 7:56 AM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
> >>
> >> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
> >>
> >> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
> >>
> >> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
> >>     sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
> >>
> >> The following files are loaded:
> >>    receiving incremental file list
> >> 	bin/
> >> 	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
> >> 	bin/cygwin1.dll
> >> 	bin/kpathsea620.dll
> >> 	bin/lua52.dll
> >> 	bin/luatex.dll
> >> 	bin/mtx-update.lua
> >> 	bin/mtxrun.dll
> >> 	bin/mtxrun.exe
> >> 	bin/mtxrun.lua
> >> 	bin/rsync.exe
> >> 	bin/texlua.exe
> >>
> >>
> > The above only populated /opt/context/bin
> >
> >
> >
> >> Re:     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
> >>         . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
> >>
> >> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
> >
> > I mean there is no /opt/context/tex  so no /opt/context/tex/setuptex..
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?
> >
> > Any suggestions are apprecaited.
> 
> can you run ./firstsetup ?
> 

./firstsetup.sh was ran and it was first setup that created and populated the bin directory.  But nothing was done for a tex directory.


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Re: Problem with Standalone

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/15/2014 12:06 PM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 1/15/2014 7:56 AM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
>>>>
>>>> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
>>>>
>>>> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>>>>      sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
>>>>
>>>> The following files are loaded:
>>>>     receiving incremental file list
>>>> 	bin/
>>>> 	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
>>>> 	bin/cygwin1.dll
>>>> 	bin/kpathsea620.dll
>>>> 	bin/lua52.dll
>>>> 	bin/luatex.dll
>>>> 	bin/mtx-update.lua
>>>> 	bin/mtxrun.dll
>>>> 	bin/mtxrun.exe
>>>> 	bin/mtxrun.lua
>>>> 	bin/rsync.exe
>>>> 	bin/texlua.exe
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The above only populated /opt/context/bin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Re:     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
>>>>          . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
>>>
>>> I mean there is no /opt/context/tex  so no /opt/context/tex/setuptex..
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are apprecaited.
>>
>> can you run ./firstsetup ?
>>
>
> ../firstsetup.sh was ran and it was first setup that created and populated the bin directory.  But nothing was done for a tex directory.

then you need to figure out why it failed ... messages and so ... maybe 
an rsync issue (you can try to add prints to mtx-update.lua (but then 
also comment the first rsync in firstsetup so that it doesn't get 
overwritten)



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Re: Problem with Standalone

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Henman wrote:
>
> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
>
> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
>
> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
>
> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>    sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
>
> The following files are loaded:
>   receiving incremental file list
>         bin/
>         bin/cygiconv-2.dll
>         bin/cygwin1.dll
>         bin/kpathsea620.dll
>         bin/lua52.dll
>         bin/luatex.dll
>         bin/mtx-update.lua
>         bin/mtxrun.dll
>         bin/mtxrun.exe
>         bin/mtxrun.lua
>         bin/rsync.exe
>         bin/texlua.exe
>
>
>     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
>
>     . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
>
> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
>
>
> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?

We used to have cygwin-specific binaries, but dropped them after the
volunteer who built them has lost the interest.

Actually I would surprised if the distribution worked with cygwin
out-of-the-box now that those binaries have been removed (probably a
few years ago already) because we never tried to adapt any code, but I
guess that Akira's native windows binaries should work just as well
under cygwin's shell, so fixing this should be doable.

There are two steps involved in syncronisation. The script
first-setup.sh first determines the platform. In the good old days we
used:

    # cygwin
    CYGWIN*)
        case "$cpu" in
            i*86) platform="cygwin" ;;
            x86_64|ia64) platform="cygwin-64" ;;
            *) platform="unknown" ;;
        esac ;;

and recently switched to:

    CYGWIN*)
        case "$cpu" in
            i*86) platform="mswin" ;; # cygwin, if we ever get "native
cygwin binaries"
            x86_64|ia64) platform="mswin" ;; # cygwin-64, likewise
            *) platform="unknown" ;;
        esac ;;

The script then fetches files from
    rsync -rlptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/$platform/bin .
which apparently succeeds, but then the following step fails:

    mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --force --update
--context=beta --platform=$platform --texroot="$CONTEXTROOT" $@

If this step actually ever worked, it might be that Hans' recent fixes
to determine whether Windows is 64-bit or not, might have broken the
functionality.

In any case I'm almost sure that mtxrun fails to deliver proper
binaries. Is there really no other output to be seen?

Mojca
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Re: Problem with Standalone

[hwitloc]

Mojca, thank you very much for the detailed and informative information.

Regarding the "native" for cygwin Context, I am currently using TeXLive for Unix-ish Platforms.  So the Context In TeXLive for Unix platforms works or has been made to work on Cygwin at some step in the process by someone.  How is the TexLive version of ConTeXt prepared?   Using the same technique for the standalone to render it runnable on Cygwin like the TexLive version of Context, I should think.  What do you think?

Regards

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Henman wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
> >
> > Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
> >
> > Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
> >
> > #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
> >    sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
> >
> > The following files are loaded:
> >   receiving incremental file list
> >         bin/
> >         bin/cygiconv-2.dll
> >         bin/cygwin1.dll
> >         bin/kpathsea620.dll
> >         bin/lua52.dll
> >         bin/luatex.dll
> >         bin/mtx-update.lua
> >         bin/mtxrun.dll
> >         bin/mtxrun.exe
> >         bin/mtxrun.lua
> >         bin/rsync.exe
> >         bin/texlua.exe
> >
> >
> >     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
> >
> >     . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
> >
> > NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
> >
> >
> > Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?
> 
> We used to have cygwin-specific binaries, but dropped them after the
> volunteer who built them has lost the interest.
> 
> Actually I would surprised if the distribution worked with cygwin
> out-of-the-box now that those binaries have been removed (probably a
> few years ago already) because we never tried to adapt any code, but I
> guess that Akira's native windows binaries should work just as well
> under cygwin's shell, so fixing this should be doable.
> 
> There are two steps involved in syncronisation. The script
> first-setup.sh first determines the platform. In the good old days we
> used:
> 
>     # cygwin
>     CYGWIN*)
>         case "$cpu" in
>             i*86) platform="cygwin" ;;
>             x86_64|ia64) platform="cygwin-64" ;;
>             *) platform="unknown" ;;
>         esac ;;
> 
> and recently switched to:
> 
>     CYGWIN*)
>         case "$cpu" in
>             i*86) platform="mswin" ;; # cygwin, if we ever get "native
> cygwin binaries"
>             x86_64|ia64) platform="mswin" ;; # cygwin-64, likewise
>             *) platform="unknown" ;;
>         esac ;;
> 
> The script then fetches files from
>     rsync -rlptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/$platform/bin .
> which apparently succeeds, but then the following step fails:
> 
>     mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --force --update
> --context=beta --platform=$platform --texroot="$CONTEXTROOT" $@
> 
> If this step actually ever worked, it might be that Hans' recent fixes
> to determine whether Windows is 64-bit or not, might have broken the
> functionality.
> 
> In any case I'm almost sure that mtxrun fails to deliver proper
> binaries. Is there really no other output to be seen?
> 
> Mojca

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Re: Problem with Standalone

[hwitloc]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 1/15/2014 12:06 PM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/15/2014 7:56 AM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
> >>>>
> >>>> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
> >>>>      sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
> >>>>
> >>>> The following files are loaded:
> >>>>     receiving incremental file list
> >>>> 	bin/
> >>>> 	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
> >>>> 	bin/cygwin1.dll
> >>>> 	bin/kpathsea620.dll
> >>>> 	bin/lua52.dll
> >>>> 	bin/luatex.dll
> >>>> 	bin/mtx-update.lua
> >>>> 	bin/mtxrun.dll
> >>>> 	bin/mtxrun.exe
> >>>> 	bin/mtxrun.lua
> >>>> 	bin/rsync.exe
> >>>> 	bin/texlua.exe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> The above only populated /opt/context/bin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Re:     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
> >>>>          . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
> >>>>
> >>>> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
> >>>
> >>> I mean there is no /opt/context/tex  so no /opt/context/tex/setuptex..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions are apprecaited.
> >>
> >> can you run ./firstsetup ?
> >>
> >
> > ../firstsetup.sh was ran and it was first setup that created and populated the bin directory.  But nothing was done for a tex directory.
> 
> then you need to figure out why it failed ... messages and so
> ... maybe an rsync issue (you can try to add prints to mtx-update.lua
> (but then also comment the first rsync in firstsetup so that it
> doesn't get overwritten)

Yes I am trying to find out.  That's why I sent the message in the first place.
I will endeaver to find out more inforation.

Is there a way to download a three without using rsync?  Perhaps a tarball or other archive format?

Regards
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Re: Problem with Standalone

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:20 AM,  <hwitloc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mojca, thank you very much for the detailed and informative information.
>
> Regarding the "native" for cygwin Context, I am currently using TeXLive for Unix-ish Platforms.  So the Context In TeXLive for Unix platforms works or has been made to work on Cygwin at some step in the process by someone.  How is the TexLive version of ConTeXt prepared?

The same as for all other platforms. Someone
(http://www.tug.org/texlive/build.html) had to compile the binaries on
cygwin. You can see the binaries here:

http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/i386-cygwin/

The binaries are compiled once per year (actually a couple of times
withing a short period of time since there are always bugs or problems
revealed in the process).

> Using the same technique for the standalone to render it runnable on Cygwin like the TexLive version of Context, I should think.  What do you think?

Someone would have to compile the binaries then. In addition to what's
already in TeX Live that means that whenever a new LuaTeX or MetaPost
gets released, the volunteer needs to run the compilation.

Is there any performance penalty when using native Windows binaries
rather than those for cygwin? Or doesn't it work at all? (Please not a
difference between "broken" binaries and broken installation process.
I'm asking for the case when installation would succeed.)

> Is there a way to download a tree without using rsync?  Perhaps a tarball or other archive format?

Not any longer / not yet. But I could try to set it up again. But
given that your rsync works fine and it's just the update script
that's failing, I could also send you a bash scipt to run a bunch of
rsync commands instead of going through texlua.

Can you please try to download
http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-mswin.zip, unzip
it, run first-setup.bat from cmd, move the files to where your cygwin
installation is and check whether it works at all from within the
cygwin shell? That is: if normal windows binaries work inside cygwin.
Depending on that we can act further. The easiest way would be to fix
the installation.

The other less trivial way means that either you or someone else with
sufficient motivation needs to be ready to keep compiling each new
release of luatex when it gets released. And I would need to adapt the
scripts (cygwin is more tricky because it's neither windows nor unix
and always needs an exception ;).

If you want to try building the binaries, do the following:
    svn co http://svn.contextgarden.net/suite/build-binaries
    cd build-binaries
    ./bin_update_src.sh
    ./bin_update_svn.sh
    ./bin_build.sh

(I would expect problems in the last step of ./bin_build.sh, when
copying the files due to the additional *.exe extension, but you may
ignore those. The main question is whether the binaries compile at
all.)

Mojca
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Re: Problem with Standalone

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/16/2014 10:23 AM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 1/15/2014 12:06 PM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/15/2014 7:56 AM, hwitloc@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to load the standalone but have ran into a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Platform:  cygwin on Windows XP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what I did to try to get it all loaded and setup:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #1 rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>>>>>>       sh ./first-setup.sh  || exit 3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following files are loaded:
>>>>>>      receiving incremental file list
>>>>>> 	bin/
>>>>>> 	bin/cygiconv-2.dll
>>>>>> 	bin/cygwin1.dll
>>>>>> 	bin/kpathsea620.dll
>>>>>> 	bin/lua52.dll
>>>>>> 	bin/luatex.dll
>>>>>> 	bin/mtx-update.lua
>>>>>> 	bin/mtxrun.dll
>>>>>> 	bin/mtxrun.exe
>>>>>> 	bin/mtxrun.lua
>>>>>> 	bin/rsync.exe
>>>>>> 	bin/texlua.exe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The above only populated /opt/context/bin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Re:     When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:
>>>>>>           . /opt/context/tex/setuptex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE: there is no /opt/context/!!  It doesn't get loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean there is no /opt/context/tex  so no /opt/context/tex/setuptex..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas of what is wrong?  Any work around to get the proper tex directory contents?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions are apprecaited.
>>>>
>>>> can you run ./firstsetup ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> ../firstsetup.sh was ran and it was first setup that created and populated the bin directory.  But nothing was done for a tex directory.
>>
>> then you need to figure out why it failed ... messages and so
>> ... maybe an rsync issue (you can try to add prints to mtx-update.lua
>> (but then also comment the first rsync in firstsetup so that it
>> doesn't get overwritten)
>
> Yes I am trying to find out.  That's why I sent the message in the first place.
> I will endeaver to find out more inforation.
>
> Is there a way to download a three without using rsync?  Perhaps a tarball or other archive format?

just download the regular (non cygwin) windows tree



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