* "standard" for bibliographies
@ 2012-05-10 11:29 Mojca Miklavec
2012-05-10 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-05-10 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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There used to be discussions about some "common standard" for storing
bibliographies.
I'm testing
http://www.mendeley.com/
and would like to export to ConTeXt-friendly database (bibtex export
is supported). It seems that for that one would have to use
http://citationstyles.org/
so I will try to figure out if "The Citation Style Language" can be
used to export data to what is currently required by ConTeXt. But if
you are thinking about xml-based format for the future, it might be
worth taking a look at the second website.
Mojca
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* Re: "standard" for bibliographies 2012-05-10 11:29 "standard" for bibliographies Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-05-10 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2012-05-10 11:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-05-10 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 05/10/2012 01:29 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > There used to be discussions about some "common standard" for storing > bibliographies. > > I'm testing > http://www.mendeley.com/ > and would like to export to ConTeXt-friendly database (bibtex export > is supported). It seems that for that one would have to use > http://citationstyles.org/ > so I will try to figure out if "The Citation Style Language" can be > used to export data to what is currently required by ConTeXt. But if > you are thinking about xml-based format for the future, it might be > worth taking a look at the second website. Just a very quick note: CSL has been developed by Bruce D'Arcus, who used to be pretty active on the context list a couple of years ago, so you might be able to get some help there. I tried using zotero for a while and also looked at CSL, but in the end, I gave up. It is based on xml, but I couldn't get my head around it and was just hitting too many limitations. But that may have been me, maybe you have more success! All best Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "standard" for bibliographies 2012-05-10 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-05-10 11:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2012-05-10 17:25 ` Pontus Lurcock 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-05-10 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 05/10/2012 01:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > but I couldn't get my head around it and was just hitting too many > limitations And a short follow-up (because Mojca's question made me google this again): one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. Reference (there are more threads): http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/3031/book-section-link-to-book-entered-once/ Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "standard" for bibliographies 2012-05-10 11:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2012-05-10 17:25 ` Pontus Lurcock 2012-05-10 20:10 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-05-10 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for > cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a > chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). > This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer > 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs > support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, > no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This > makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries -- that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited, though, so I could be wrong about this. At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ). Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: "standard" for bibliographies 2012-05-10 17:25 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2012-05-10 20:10 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-05-10 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Pontus Lurcock On 10-5-2012 19:25, Pontus Lurcock wrote: > On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > >> one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for >> cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a >> chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). >> This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer >> 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs >> support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, >> no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This >> makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. > > This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I > tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem > for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset > citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks > such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries -- > that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which > is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited, > though, so I could be wrong about this. > > At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and > support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available > styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ). It should not be that hard to support it if only I had a reason to spend time on it (as I never need to use citations etc). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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