Re: ConTeXt as a service

[Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 16:40, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> > Am 2019-11-23 um 15:14 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 13:02, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> >>> Am 2019-11-23 um 08:12 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> >>>>
> >>>> Then you can use one of the online JS editors like CKeditor.\
> >>>
> >>> Only if you spend an enormous amount of effort making sure that the
> >>> code is properly cleaned up rather than containing a gazillion random
> >>> html style tags which you can never reconstruct back into some
> >>> structured form.
> >>>
> >>> (And yes, my impression is that Massi spent a huge amount of effort in
> >>> configuring the editor and cleaning up the mess. My company didn't and
> >>> ended up with sometimes literally every word in a sentence using a
> >>> different font size or style. They gave up on html + cke pretty soon,
> >>> but couldn't be convinced that this was a bad idea upfront.)
> >>
> >> Don’t exaggerate. Or maybe your company didn’t think about which tags are really necessary.
> >> A proper configuration that doesn’t allow nonsense, even if users paste text from Word documents, is not such a big effort.
> >
> > I'm not exaggerating, I would gladly be convinced/proved that I'm
> > wrong. How much effort (expressed in hours or days) do you think is
> > needed to implement the following?
>
> Oh, IMO that wishlist is very demanding. I’d say it’s more or less impossible with any HTML editor.

So where do we stand with "you are exaggerating, it's really simple",
then? How many hours to configure it? ;)

(ConTeXt has no problems doing all that, and asciidoc as potential
input format supports all the required features as well; if a nice
translation layer is defined, one can get both awesome html out of the
box as well as high quality PDF. I'm just saying that I find MCE
somewhat useless. Whether or not that's exaggerating ... still waiting
to be proven wrong.)

> The JS editors I know of allow for custom menus, and it should be easy to setup special divs for these warning sections.
> I don’t know any good table or formula editors/plugins, though. I’m not up to date, but I guess with a graphical/“WYSIWYG” tool you’ll never get perfectly structured input and will never be able to address finer details of typography, esp. WRT math.

Well ... both Word and Open/LibreOffice do a pretty decent job w.r.t
math nowadays, MathJax is awesome, and I've also seen some awesome
javascript apps allowing you to edit equations. So it's not
impossible. Just not that straightforward ...

I'm not saying that I really need a WYSIWYG editor. Anyone who's
supposed to enter correct complex formulas should be able to learn
some basic markup language (I guess).

Mojca
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