ConTeXt group

ConTeXt group

[Hagmann Jörg]

I wasn't aware of this: http://group.contextgarden.net/   (the "ConTeXt group").

Could somebody tell me, in more detail than on the above site, the purpose of it and in particular its relationship to NTG (which itself is already ConTeXt dominated)?

Thanks, Jörg
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Re: ConTeXt group

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 14:44, Hagmann Jörg wrote:
> I wasn't aware of this: http://group.contextgarden.net/   (the "ConTeXt group").
>
> Could somebody tell me, in more detail than on the above site, the purpose of it and in particular its relationship to NTG (which itself is already ConTeXt dominated)?

Dear Hagmann,

Thank you very much for the question.

We decided to create a new user group during the meeting in Brejlov in
2010. Main reason was that even though NTG is the group of choice for
supporting ConTeXt development, it is not really clear to many users
why they should join a Dutch user group. And it is not always
justified to use NTG's money for ConTeXt only since there are also
many other LaTeX users in the group, other interests etc.

The group has been founded slightly more than a year ago, but only
started operating more seriously during the last ConTeXt Meeting in
Belgium. We have 28 members now, but sadly still no bank account. We
hope to settle that withing the next two weeks, even though we are
still not sure which bank to choose/in what country. The main
complication is that group is founded in France, president is Dutch,
treasurer is German ... It is trivial if group is established in the
same country where the bank account is opened and if both president
and treasurer are present when the account is opened. We didn't want
to promote the group too publicly too much yet since everyone's first
question would be how to pay for the membership.

Why the user group?

* TeX user groups often fund projects like development of Latin
Modern, TeX Gyre, MetaPost, LuaTeX, ... ConTeXt group would join other
groups in helping TeX develop further.

* Costs of domain name, server, ...

* When organizing ConTeXt meetings, one might have to pay for the
hotel and different other costs in advance (before conference fees are
collected). The user group could help paying those costs. On the other
hand some conference sites are more expensive than others. In case of
an expensive conference, ConTeXt Group can help cover part of the
costs. People who come to conferences are usually the most active
developers and conferences are the most perfect way to brainstorm and
get things done. On the other hand, if some money is left from the
conference, the group can use it next year or for other reasons. One
can also help individual developers to join the conference when they
cannot afford to.

* The group could apply for different fundings, search sponsors etc.

* We want to publish conference proceedings. The first issue is being
worked on and will hopefully be published very soon in 2012 (the plan
was to release it before Christmas, but beginning of 2012 is more
realistic).

In short: the group will help organizing meeting, pay for
server-related costs, promote usage of ConTeXt, "force" authors to
publish in nice proceedings, allow grateful users to give back, foster
development of different projects that are relevant for ConTeXt, ...

We also need a new webpage design and I hope that registration still
works after being moved to the new server ;)
You are welcome to register. We will let you know as soon as we will
be able to accept the payments.

Mojca
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Re: ConTeXt group

[Hagmann Jörg]

Hi Mojca,

Thanks for the explanation -- I wanted to make sure there is not too much of an overlap between NTG and the group.

Jörg

On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 14:44, Hagmann Jörg wrote:
>> I wasn't aware of this: http://group.contextgarden.net/   (the "ConTeXt group").
>> 
>> Could somebody tell me, in more detail than on the above site, the purpose of it and in particular its relationship to NTG (which itself is already ConTeXt dominated)?
> 
> Dear Hagmann,
> 
> Thank you very much for the question.
> 
> We decided to create a new user group during the meeting in Brejlov in
> 2010. Main reason was that even though NTG is the group of choice for
> supporting ConTeXt development, it is not really clear to many users
> why they should join a Dutch user group. And it is not always
> justified to use NTG's money for ConTeXt only since there are also
> many other LaTeX users in the group, other interests etc.
> 
> The group has been founded slightly more than a year ago, but only
> started operating more seriously during the last ConTeXt Meeting in
> Belgium. We have 28 members now, but sadly still no bank account. We
> hope to settle that withing the next two weeks, even though we are
> still not sure which bank to choose/in what country. The main
> complication is that group is founded in France, president is Dutch,
> treasurer is German ... It is trivial if group is established in the
> same country where the bank account is opened and if both president
> and treasurer are present when the account is opened. We didn't want
> to promote the group too publicly too much yet since everyone's first
> question would be how to pay for the membership.
> 
> Why the user group?
> 
> * TeX user groups often fund projects like development of Latin
> Modern, TeX Gyre, MetaPost, LuaTeX, ... ConTeXt group would join other
> groups in helping TeX develop further.
> 
> * Costs of domain name, server, ...
> 
> * When organizing ConTeXt meetings, one might have to pay for the
> hotel and different other costs in advance (before conference fees are
> collected). The user group could help paying those costs. On the other
> hand some conference sites are more expensive than others. In case of
> an expensive conference, ConTeXt Group can help cover part of the
> costs. People who come to conferences are usually the most active
> developers and conferences are the most perfect way to brainstorm and
> get things done. On the other hand, if some money is left from the
> conference, the group can use it next year or for other reasons. One
> can also help individual developers to join the conference when they
> cannot afford to.
> 
> * The group could apply for different fundings, search sponsors etc.
> 
> * We want to publish conference proceedings. The first issue is being
> worked on and will hopefully be published very soon in 2012 (the plan
> was to release it before Christmas, but beginning of 2012 is more
> realistic).
> 
> In short: the group will help organizing meeting, pay for
> server-related costs, promote usage of ConTeXt, "force" authors to
> publish in nice proceedings, allow grateful users to give back, foster
> development of different projects that are relevant for ConTeXt, ...
> 
> We also need a new webpage design and I hope that registration still
> works after being moved to the new server ;)
> You are welcome to register. We will let you know as soon as we will
> be able to accept the payments.
> 
> Mojca
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> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
> 
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> ___________________________________________________________________________________

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Re: ConTeXt group

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 16:39, Hagmann Jörg wrote:
> Hi Mojca,
>
> Thanks for the explanation -- I wanted to make sure there is not too much of an overlap between NTG and the group.

Only the same president, secretary, journal editor and design :)

You really cannot call that a big overlap. (Articles in magazine will
be different.)

Mojca
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