From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/78406 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mojca Miklavec Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Proposal: making [[article]] and [[Article]] equivalent on the wiki Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:18 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1348475065 31385 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2012 08:24:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:24:25 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Sep 24 10:24:30 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TG3xu-0006VJ-4D for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D7D101F4; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id s-RpQzyNM5Pd; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10359101F1; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62179101F1 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id roXz4QY-Q-o7 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (filter3-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.71]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276A6101E8 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q8O8OIRm032502 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:24:19 +0200 Original-Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so5059855qcs.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:24:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UQzQFL+Sod9fKuEayz5CzPXBDD+zQiDJYmooUjtFNp8=; b=fIHvek9+ji8JWJpj1WRZS3Loz4ZPb07X91tkCZRmwkzrUH3ETUbuHDV7KF3MuHD+Oa txpn1vM1PYY2J+enszFHMcsY4luWSncj2U88uHHRAioxzCBDCovqd4Pgw6qKbyGDdt+c 6ZpSbE8Fk3k/fzR1nN6dBV/1+ivIkDl0MHRFz2wsA7/vU+HdwMHVqHMbiDIlp2AJ8XoM /zw3kWOwix+XBeGid1Sekxt3VcbPJmIkkOTenLLlELehCZKObLWcqiLmN1EAlohvZwwB Rgp6pT7UIkSeitFxyS+QJbj1DwAtnRWQWaKY7FZu5vPCEhCBaoV8H2rERvOKy9xnaB8c hbjA== Original-Received: by 10.229.174.225 with SMTP id u33mr6194476qcz.40.1348475058268; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.49.2.41 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:24:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.216.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 03I2UoiP0 - 43a59ecf865f - 20120924 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.71 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:78406 Archived-At: Hello, did someone, by any chance, already make that change? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: > Hello, all, > > The wiki currently has $wgCapitalLinks = false; meaning that if one > wishes to link to e.g. [[Columns]] inside a sentence one must write > "See the [[Columns|columns]] article." And if one links to another > article, one must remember whether its title is lowercase, Titlecase, > or if it doesn't matter because a redirect exists. > > Proposal: > I propose we set > $wgCapitalLinks = true; > $wgCapitalLinkOverrides[ NS_FILE ] = false; > This will make writing a link as [[Article]] or [[article]] both > correct, but retain case sensitivity in the rest of the article title. > In the file namespace, however, case sensitivity will be retained for > the entire name, so that people won't have to download e.g. > "T-lilypond.tex". The setting was changed from true to false in past on purpose. I found it very annoying that all the words were capitalized, even if there was no reason to capitalized them. Filenames (like http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Cont-tmf.zip, http://wiki.contextgarden.net/First-setup.sh) are not the only cases. "write18" is another one etc. Even if you change that setting, you still have no idea whether a page is "Font Tools" or "Font tools" or "font tools". You can make a link to [[font tools]] or [[headers and footers]] inside your sentence, but that still won't help you to get to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Font_Tools http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Headers_and_Footers and most article names are actually very hard to guess, and in contrast to wikipedia, the ConTeXt wiki hardly covers any substantial amount of common words or phrases. > Motivation below. Comments, agreement, disagreement welcome. Personally I'm against that change. > Motivation: > Redirects can (and do) solve this, and so can changing the link, but > that is busywork that nobody should have to do. I agree, but having filenames capitalized is even more silly. > * article titles will consistently be displayed in Titlecase That is not always desired. > * for titles that should start in lowercase, such as [[texexec]] or > [[first-setup]], we'll need to add e.g. {{DISPLAYTITLE:texexec}}. That partially compensates, but ... Mojca PS: can anyone please explain me what's with http://wiki.contextgarden.net/First-setup.sh it's almost "an infinite chain" of redirects ... The real page, http://wiki.contextgarden.net/First-setup, is the one that actually makes least sense to me. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________