* Bug regarding placement and size of primes
@ 2017-06-12 10:32 Mathias Schickel
2017-06-12 10:57 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 10:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Hagen, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Dear Hans,
the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved meanwhile):
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\starttext
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Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$.
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\startformula
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\int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x
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\stopformula
%
\stoptext
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The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high.
Best
Mathias
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 10:32 Bug regarding placement and size of primes Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 10:57 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2017-06-12 11:30 ` Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-06-12 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1630 bytes --] On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote: > Dear Hans, > > the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved meanwhile): > > %%%%%%% > \starttext > % > Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$. > % > \startformula > % > \int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x > % > \stopformula > % > \stoptext > %%%%%%% > > The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high. > > Best > Mathias > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file, compiled with 1.05. /Mikael [-- Attachment #2: primes105.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 10151 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 10:57 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-06-12 11:30 ` Mathias Schickel 2017-06-12 11:46 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Mikael, when will LuaTeX 1.05 be released? And how can I get the source for compilation (and what exactly will I have to do to get everything to work)? Besides: Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to? Best /Mathias > Am 12.06.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>: > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel > <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote: >> Dear Hans, >> >> the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved meanwhile): >> >> %%%%%%% >> \starttext >> % >> Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$. >> % >> \startformula >> % >> \int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x >> % >> \stopformula >> % >> \stoptext >> %%%%%%% >> >> The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high. >> >> Best >> Mathias >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do > the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until > luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will > see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file, > compiled with 1.05. > > /Mikael > <primes105.pdf>___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 11:30 ` Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 11:46 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2017-06-12 13:53 ` Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-06-12 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Mathias Schickel <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote: > Hi Mikael, > > when will LuaTeX 1.05 be released? And how can I get the source for compilation (and what exactly will I have to do to get everything to work)? > Besides: Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to? > > Best > /Mathias > > >> Am 12.06.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>: >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel >> <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote: >>> Dear Hans, >>> >>> the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved meanwhile): >>> >>> %%%%%%% >>> \starttext >>> % >>> Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$. >>> % >>> \startformula >>> % >>> \int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x >>> % >>> \stopformula >>> % >>> \stoptext >>> %%%%%%% >>> >>> The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high. >>> >>> Best >>> Mathias >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do >> the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until >> luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will >> see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file, >> compiled with 1.05. >> >> /Mikael >> <primes105.pdf>___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ As far as I understand 1.05 will be out at the same time as the context meeting takes place (Sepbember?). For the thread, it was this one (that you participated in): https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html . I think the information you need is available there, but still: I run linux (ubuntu), and these are the steps that made it work for me (with help of luigi and Taco): 1) get the files svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ 2) compile: step into the folder experimental and run build.sh 3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work. Good luck! /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 11:46 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-06-12 13:53 ` Mathias Schickel 2017-06-12 14:35 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 13:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5801 bytes --] Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately > 1) get the files > > svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn > https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ <https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/> does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which command I need to use at MacOS (current version)? Besides, Hans, I think it is a questionable decision to include the new mechanism for primes in the beta but not the required LuaTeX version for them to work correctly. I tried out the ConTeXt version „current“ (--context=current downloading the standalone) and there the old bugs persist. That means that I cannot use ConTeXt to typeset mathematics now, since no version works correctly when primes are required (until I can handle it to compile LuaTeX 1.05, but I think it would be much more comfortable the beta version of ConTeXt could run using the LuaTeX version it provides on it’s own). Best /Mathias > Am 12.06.2017 um 13:46 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>: > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Mathias Schickel > <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote: >> Hi Mikael, >> >> when will LuaTeX 1.05 be released? And how can I get the source for compilation (and what exactly will I have to do to get everything to work)? >> Besides: Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to? >> >> Best >> /Mathias >> >> >>> Am 12.06.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>: >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel >>> <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote: >>>> Dear Hans, >>>> >>>> the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved meanwhile): >>>> >>>> %%%%%%% >>>> \starttext >>>> % >>>> Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$. >>>> % >>>> \startformula >>>> % >>>> \int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x >>>> % >>>> \stopformula >>>> % >>>> \stoptext >>>> %%%%%%% >>>> >>>> The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Mathias >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>>> >>>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do >>> the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until >>> luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will >>> see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file, >>> compiled with 1.05. >>> >>> /Mikael >>> <primes105.pdf>___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > As far as I understand 1.05 will be out at the same time as the > context meeting takes place (Sepbember?). > > For the thread, it was this one (that you participated in): > https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html . I > think the information you need is available there, but still: > > I run linux (ubuntu), and these are the steps that made it work for me > (with help of luigi and Taco): > > 1) get the files > > svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn > https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ > > 2) compile: > > step into the folder experimental and run build.sh > > 3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found > > I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work. > > Good luck! > > /Mikael > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 9142 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 13:53 ` Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 14:35 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-12 14:54 ` Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-12 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Mathias Schickel On 6/12/2017 3:53 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: > Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately > >> 1) get the files >> >> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn >> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ > > does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which > command I need to use at MacOS (current version)? > > Besides, Hans, I think it is a questionable decision to include the new > mechanism for primes in the beta but not the required LuaTeX version for > them to work correctly. I tried out the ConTeXt version „current“ > (--context=current downloading the standalone) and there the old bugs > persist. That means that I cannot use ConTeXt to typeset mathematics > now, since no version works correctly when primes are required (until I > can handle it to compile LuaTeX 1.05, but I think it would be much more > comfortable the beta version of ConTeXt could run using the LuaTeX > version it provides on it’s own). the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go) (it already has costs me more time that i liked) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 14:35 ` Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-12 14:54 ` Mathias Schickel [not found] ` <04f76f77-ab92-1859-2fc3-62d25bfe69f3@wxs.nl> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen, mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4180 bytes --] > the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain At first: Thank you very much for your work! > so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go) But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version that is shipped with the Garden version) in all fonts. The primes are not rendered as they should in any font I tried out. As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to be terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes will be not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs with primes you have already resolved. This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but because this version is not yet released, this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt unusable until this release (if you need primes). So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply). And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special fonts of hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using standard Latin Modern or any font else. Simply try %%%%%%% \starttext % $f’$, $f^{''}$. % \stoptext %%%%%%% and you will get something like attached. Best Mathias > Am 12.06.2017 um 16:35 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>: > > On 6/12/2017 3:53 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >> Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately >>> 1) get the files >>> >>> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn >>> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ >> does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which command I need to use at MacOS (current version)? >> Besides, Hans, I think it is a questionable decision to include the new mechanism for primes in the beta but not the required LuaTeX version for them to work correctly. I tried out the ConTeXt version „current“ (--context=current downloading the standalone) and there the old bugs persist. That means that I cannot use ConTeXt to typeset mathematics now, since no version works correctly when primes are required (until I can handle it to compile LuaTeX 1.05, but I think it would be much more comfortable the beta version of ConTeXt could run using the LuaTeX version it provides on it’s own). > the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain > > so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go) > > (it already has costs me more time that i liked) > > Hans > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/> | www.pragma-pod.nl <http://www.pragma-pod.nl/> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2.1: Type: text/html, Size: 3954 bytes --] [-- Attachment #1.2.2: Primes.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 8839 bytes --] [-- Attachment #1.2.3: Type: text/html, Size: 11955 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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* Fwd: Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes [not found] ` <04f76f77-ab92-1859-2fc3-62d25bfe69f3@wxs.nl> @ 2017-06-12 15:10 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-12 15:50 ` Mathias Schickel 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-12 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 17:10:25 +0200 From: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> To: Mathias Schickel <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >> the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting >> something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a >> mess that i then need to maintain without any gain > > At first: Thank you very much for your work! > >> so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and >> not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or >> bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term >> no-go) > > But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or > hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version > that is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The primes are > not rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out. > As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to > be terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes > will be not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current > (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs > with primes you have already resolved. there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other reasons) but Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm > This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be > released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my > own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did > solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose > up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you > introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but > because this version is not yet released, this decision is questionable, > since this makes ConTeXt unusable until this release (if you need primes). > > So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version > that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or > alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile > the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply). then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations in those versions > And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special fonts > of hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using standard Latin > Modern or any font else. Simply try latin modern has all kind of issues ... and it's inconsistent with cambria, other gyre fonts etc ... in a decade of luatex and open type math fonts i captured a lot of font issues in runtiem fixes but that will always give side effects so, i can fix somethign for you with lm and then someone else complains about lucida etc etc as i explained before, primes are a mess conceptually .. not a real character and not a proper superscript candidate either so when one corrects for one aspect one has to fight the other also, we have unicode and therefore multiple primes are one character i simply have no time (nor motivation) to spend days on some temporary solution that will be complained about also and discarded a while later anyway Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes [not found] ` <04f76f77-ab92-1859-2fc3-62d25bfe69f3@wxs.nl> 2017-06-12 15:10 ` Fwd: " Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-12 15:50 ` Mathias Schickel 2017-06-15 10:05 ` Mathias Schickel 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-12 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen, mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5979 bytes --] > Am 12.06.2017 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>: > > On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >>> the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain >> At first: Thank you very much for your work! >>> so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go) >> But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version that is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The primes are not rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out. >> As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to be terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes will be not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs with primes you have already resolved. > > there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other reasons) but Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm > Okay, that would be great. But could you tell me how I can get the files and compile them? Mikael did write me instructions that work for Linux, but I am on MacOS. My problem would be solved if I could get the source and compile LuaTeX 1.05 on my own on MacOS. :-) >> This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but because this version is not yet released, this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt unusable until this release (if you need primes). >> So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply). > > then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations in those versions How can I get the beta of last week or the week before? In those betas you have not yet included the new code (for use with LuaTeX 1.05) and everything worked really fine. The --context=current garden version has several bugs regarding primes you have solved in the mentioned betas. So it would make no sense at all to use this version. I would need one of the older betas or the most recent one with LuaTeX 1.05. > >> And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special fonts of hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using standard Latin Modern or any font else. Simply try > latin modern has all kind of issues ... and it's inconsistent with cambria, other gyre fonts etc ... in a decade of luatex and open type math fonts i captured a lot of font issues in runtiem fixes but that will always give side effects > > so, i can fix somethign for you with lm and then someone else complains about lucida etc etc > I am not using Latin Modern. I only mentioned that because I wanted to stress that I am not referring to exotic fonts. (I totally agree on you regarding Latin Modern; I think Cambria should be the reference since this font is the font that established the opentype math standard.) In fact I am using Minion Math (which is a really stunning font) or Stix 2. There had been no problems in those fonts with primes in the betas of the last weeks. And as Mikeal suggests the problems are resolved if I could use LuaTeX 1.05. So in fact the only thing I am complaining about is that everything worked one or two betas ago until it is „broken“ in the newest beta since this one seems to be based on code that requires LuaTeX 1.05 (which makes sense of course since this will be the upcoming release) that is not shipped alongside the beta. So I am not able to understand why code is provided in the beta that requires a LuaTeX version that is not shipped alongside (and especially in view of the fact that we had a perfectly working beta regarding primes last week; this means I think it would have been a great idea to wait including the newest code for primes that requires LuaTeX 1.05 until LuaTeX 1.05 is shipped with the beta too). :-) > as i explained before, primes are a mess conceptually .. not a real character and not a proper superscript candidate either so when one corrects for one aspect one has to fight the other > > also, we have unicode and therefore multiple primes are one character > > i simply have no time (nor motivation) to spend days on some temporary solution that will be complained about also and discarded a while later anyway I perfectly understand that. And every work regarding primes is done, as I think. But one way to make us of it would be to use the beta of last week (or maybe the week before) or the most recent one together with LuaTeX 1.05. But I have no idea how to make use of that ways. :-) So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? > Hans Mathias > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/> | www.pragma-pod.nl <http://www.pragma-pod.nl/> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 21003 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-12 15:50 ` Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-15 10:05 ` Mathias Schickel 2017-06-15 11:39 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-15 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 8845 bytes --] > Am 12.06.2017 um 15:53 schrieb Mathias Schickel <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de>: > > Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately > >> 1) get the files >> >> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn >> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ <https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/> > does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which command I need to use at MacOS (current version)? Can someone tell me how I can download the source of LuaTeX 1.0.5 and compile it on MacOS? Mikael wrote me instructions for Linux that did not work for MacOS. Thanks in advance! /Mathias PS: In the meantime I have read the thread https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html <https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html> and seen that LuaTeX 1.0.5 is contained in the garden version on Windows. On my Windows machine everything regarding primes works really fine. Since LuaTeX 1.0.5 is not yet contained in the MacOS version I get the described bugs there. Does someone know when will LuaTeX 1.0.5 be officially released for MacOS? > 2) compile: > > step into the folder experimental and run build.sh > > 3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found > > I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work. > > Good luck! > > /Mikael > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > Am 12.06.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Mathias Schickel <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de>: > >> >> Am 12.06.2017 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl <mailto:pragma@wxs.nl>>: >> >> On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >>>> the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain >>> At first: Thank you very much for your work! >>>> so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go) >>> But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version that is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The primes are not rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out. >>> As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to be terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes will be not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs with primes you have already resolved. >> >> there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other reasons) but Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm >> > > Okay, that would be great. But could you tell me how I can get the files and compile them? Mikael did write me instructions that work for Linux, but I am on MacOS. My problem would be solved if I could get the source and compile LuaTeX 1.05 on my own on MacOS. :-) > >>> This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but because this version is not yet released, this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt unusable until this release (if you need primes). >>> So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply). >> >> then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations in those versions > > How can I get the beta of last week or the week before? In those betas you have not yet included the new code (for use with LuaTeX 1.05) and everything worked really fine. The --context=current garden version has several bugs regarding primes you have solved in the mentioned betas. So it would make no sense at all to use this version. I would need one of the older betas or the most recent one with LuaTeX 1.05. > >> >>> And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special fonts of hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using standard Latin Modern or any font else. Simply try >> latin modern has all kind of issues ... and it's inconsistent with cambria, other gyre fonts etc ... in a decade of luatex and open type math fonts i captured a lot of font issues in runtiem fixes but that will always give side effects >> >> so, i can fix somethign for you with lm and then someone else complains about lucida etc etc >> > > I am not using Latin Modern. I only mentioned that because I wanted to stress that I am not referring to exotic fonts. (I totally agree on you regarding Latin Modern; I think Cambria should be the reference since this font is the font that established the opentype math standard.) > In fact I am using Minion Math (which is a really stunning font) or Stix 2. There had been no problems in those fonts with primes in the betas of the last weeks. And as Mikeal suggests the problems are resolved if I could use LuaTeX 1.05. > > So in fact the only thing I am complaining about is that everything worked one or two betas ago until it is „broken“ in the newest beta since this one seems to be based on code that requires LuaTeX 1.05 (which makes sense of course since this will be the upcoming release) that is not shipped alongside the beta. So I am not able to understand why code is provided in the beta that requires a LuaTeX version that is not shipped alongside (and especially in view of the fact that we had a perfectly working beta regarding primes last week; this means I think it would have been a great idea to wait including the newest code for primes that requires LuaTeX 1.05 until LuaTeX 1.05 is shipped with the beta too). :-) > >> as i explained before, primes are a mess conceptually .. not a real character and not a proper superscript candidate either so when one corrects for one aspect one has to fight the other >> >> also, we have unicode and therefore multiple primes are one character >> >> i simply have no time (nor motivation) to spend days on some temporary solution that will be complained about also and discarded a while later anyway > > I perfectly understand that. And every work regarding primes is done, as I think. But one way to make us of it would be to use the beta of last week (or maybe the week before) or the most recent one together with LuaTeX 1.05. But I have no idea how to make use of that ways. :-) > > So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? > >> Hans > > Mathias > > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE >> Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands >> tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/> | www.pragma-pod.nl <http://www.pragma-pod.nl/> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context <http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context> > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/> / http://context.aanhet.net <http://context.aanhet.net/> > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ <https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/> > wiki : http://contextgarden.net <http://contextgarden.net/> > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 33976 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-15 10:05 ` Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-15 11:39 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-15 11:48 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-15 11:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >> Am 12.06.2017 um 15:53 schrieb Mathias Schickel >> <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de <mailto:msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de>>: >> >> Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately >> >>> 1) get the files >>> >>> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn >>> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ >> >> does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which >> command I need to use at MacOS (current version)? > > Can someone tell me how I can download the source of LuaTeX 1.0.5 and > compile it on MacOS? Mikael wrote me instructions for Linux that did not > work for MacOS. Thanks in advance! > > /Mathias > > PS: In the meantime I have read the thread > https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html and seen > that LuaTeX 1.0.5 is contained in the garden version on Windows. On my > Windows machine everything regarding primes works really fine. Since > LuaTeX 1.0.5 is not yet contained in the MacOS version I get the > described bugs there. Does someone know when will LuaTeX 1.0.5 be > officially released for MacOS? > >> 2) compile: >> >> step into the folder experimental and run build.sh >> >> 3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found >> >> I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work. >> >> Good luck! >> >> /Mikael >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry >> to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > >> Am 12.06.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Mathias Schickel >> <msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de <mailto:msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de>>: >> >>> >>> Am 12.06.2017 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl >>> <mailto:pragma@wxs.nl>>: >>> >>> On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >>>>> the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting >>>>> something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to >>>>> a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain >>>> At first: Thank you very much for your work! >>>>> so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases >>>>> and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different >>>>> setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a >>>>> long term no-go) >>>> But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special >>>> or hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX >>>> version that is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The >>>> primes are not rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out. >>>> As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which >>>> seems to be terminated September this year. But until then the >>>> output of primes will be not correct. I have no possibility to >>>> switch back to the current (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because >>>> this version contains the bugs with primes you have already resolved. >>> >>> there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other >>> reasons) but Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm >>> >> >> Okay, that would be great. But could you tell me how I can get the >> files and compile them? Mikael did write me instructions that work for >> Linux, but I am on MacOS. My problem would be solved if I could get >> the source and compile LuaTeX 1.05 on my own on MacOS. :-) >> >>>> This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will >>>> be released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 >>>> on my own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks >>>> ago) did solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am >>>> referring to rose up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, >>>> this is because you introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. >>>> This is very nice, but because this version is not yet released, >>>> this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt unusable >>>> until this release (if you need primes). >>>> So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a >>>> version that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of >>>> ConTeXt (or alternatively it would be nice if instructions are >>>> provided to compile the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be >>>> used simply). >>> >>> then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations >>> in those versions >> >> How can I get the beta of last week or the week before? In those betas >> you have not yet included the new code (for use with LuaTeX 1.05) and >> everything worked really fine. The --context=current garden version >> has several bugs regarding primes you have solved in the mentioned >> betas. So it would make no sense at all to use this version. I would >> need one of the older betas or the most recent one with LuaTeX 1.05. >> >>> >>>> And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special >>>> fonts of hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using >>>> standard Latin Modern or any font else. Simply try >>> latin modern has all kind of issues ... and it's inconsistent with >>> cambria, other gyre fonts etc ... in a decade of luatex and open type >>> math fonts i captured a lot of font issues in runtiem fixes but that >>> will always give side effects >>> >>> so, i can fix somethign for you with lm and then someone else >>> complains about lucida etc etc >>> >> >> I am not using Latin Modern. I only mentioned that because I wanted to >> stress that I am not referring to exotic fonts. (I totally agree on >> you regarding Latin Modern; I think Cambria should be the reference >> since this font is the font that established the opentype math standard.) >> In fact I am using Minion Math (which is a really stunning font) or >> Stix 2. There had been no problems in those fonts with primes in the >> betas of the last weeks. And as Mikeal suggests the problems are >> resolved if I could use LuaTeX 1.05. >> >> So in fact the only thing I am complaining about is that everything >> worked one or two betas ago until it is „broken“ in the newest beta >> since this one seems to be based on code that requires LuaTeX 1.05 >> (which makes sense of course since this will be the upcoming release) >> that is not shipped alongside the beta. So I am not able to understand >> why code is provided in the beta that requires a LuaTeX version that >> is not shipped alongside (and especially in view of the fact that we >> had a perfectly working beta regarding primes last week; this means I >> think it would have been a great idea to wait including the newest >> code for primes that requires LuaTeX 1.05 until LuaTeX 1.05 is shipped >> with the beta too). :-) >> >>> as i explained before, primes are a mess conceptually .. not a real >>> character and not a proper superscript candidate either so when one >>> corrects for one aspect one has to fight the other >>> >>> also, we have unicode and therefore multiple primes are one character >>> >>> i simply have no time (nor motivation) to spend days on some >>> temporary solution that will be complained about also and discarded a >>> while later anyway >> >> I perfectly understand that. And every work regarding primes is done, >> as I think. But one way to make us of it would be to use the beta of >> last week (or maybe the week before) or the most recent one together >> with LuaTeX 1.05. But I have no idea how to make use of that ways. :-) >> >> So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the >> source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be binaries. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-15 11:39 ` Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-15 11:48 ` Mojca Miklavec 2017-06-15 12:01 ` Hans Hagen ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2017-06-15 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >> >>> So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the >>> source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? > > Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be > binaries. You can fetch it from here: http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/ (those binaries should end up in minimals very soon). But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the problem. But aside from that. If you (developers, not users) want to call one version of LuaTeX 1.05, you should tag a version 1.05. Increasing the version numbers in trunk and skipping any official releases is a pretty bad development practice. Usually you would put experimental features to trunk and whatever you want to end up at users to tags or potentially stable maintained branches that get bugfixes. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-15 11:48 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2017-06-15 12:01 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-15 13:08 ` Mathias Schickel 2017-06-16 5:49 ` luigi scarso 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-15 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Mojca Miklavec On 6/15/2017 1:48 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >>> >>>> So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the >>>> source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? >> >> Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be >> binaries. > > You can fetch it from here: > http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/ > (those binaries should end up in minimals very soon). > > But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on > existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated > timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the > problem. i'm somewhat puzzled by timestamps as i can compile here on my machine (which has a rather limited linux box) > But aside from that. If you (developers, not users) want to call one > version of LuaTeX 1.05, you should tag a version 1.05. well, maybe, but then we end up with lots of small-step version numbers which is not what we like (in fact, a tag is ok for tex live but we might want to test a precursor on the garden with context first as we can fix context issues quite fast) > Increasing the version numbers in trunk and skipping any official > releases is a pretty bad development practice. > > Usually you would put experimental features to trunk and whatever you > want to end up at users to tags or potentially stable maintained > branches that get bugfixes. we use trunk (and therefore the garden) for testing too, so it's okay wrt version numbers (if needed we can distinguish builds with status.develooment_id) and we can at some point also use the revision number (which in the past was not used properly) .. also, normally a garden beta (+bins) is a working combination anyway, once the bot works ok we can hapilly move forward Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-15 11:48 ` Mojca Miklavec 2017-06-15 12:01 ` Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-15 13:08 ` Mathias Schickel 2017-06-16 10:54 ` Mojca Miklavec 2017-06-16 5:49 ` luigi scarso 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-15 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Am 15.06.2017 um 13:48 schrieb Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>: > > On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >>> >>>> So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the >>>> source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? >> >> Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be >> binaries. > > You can fetch it from here: > http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/ > (those binaries should end up in minimals very soon). > > But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on > existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated > timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the > problem. Okay. Does that mean that there is not yet a version for MacOS? If I am right I cannot find files for MacOS at your link above. Then I will wait and typeset my files on Windows until the new version is released. Mathias > But aside from that. If you (developers, not users) want to call one > version of LuaTeX 1.05, you should tag a version 1.05. > > Increasing the version numbers in trunk and skipping any official > releases is a pretty bad development practice. > > Usually you would put experimental features to trunk and whatever you > want to end up at users to tags or potentially stable maintained > branches that get bugfixes. > > Mojca > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-15 13:08 ` Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-16 10:54 ` Mojca Miklavec 2017-06-16 14:59 ` Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2017-06-16 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 15 June 2017 at 15:08, Mathias Schickel wrote: > > Okay. Does that mean that there is not yet a version for MacOS? If I am right I cannot find files for MacOS at your link above. Then I will wait and typeset my files on Windows until the new version is released. Please try to update the ConTeXt distribution now. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-16 10:54 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2017-06-16 14:59 ` Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-16 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Am 16.06.2017 um 12:54 schrieb Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>: > > On 15 June 2017 at 15:08, Mathias Schickel wrote: >> >> Okay. Does that mean that there is not yet a version for MacOS? If I am right I cannot find files for MacOS at your link above. Then I will wait and typeset my files on Windows until the new version is released. > > Please try to update the ConTeXt distribution now. > Everything works fine now. LuaTeX 1.05.0 is now contained in the downloaded distribution and primes are working fine again! Many thanks to Hans and you! Mathias > Mojca > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug regarding placement and size of primes 2017-06-15 11:48 ` Mojca Miklavec 2017-06-15 12:01 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-15 13:08 ` Mathias Schickel @ 2017-06-16 5:49 ` luigi scarso 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2017-06-16 5:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote: >>> >>>> So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the >>>> source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it? >> >> Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be >> binaries. > > You can fetch it from here: > http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/ > (those binaries should end up in minimals very soon). > > But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on > existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated > timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the > problem. I have cross compiled latest trunk for osx without problem, it's not a problem with timestamps. Be sure to have freetype-config icu-config, as I have said several times they are prerequisite for the configure machinery (not for luatex itself). -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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