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For some reason, the environments for footnotes and marginnotes are different from that of the main content's. I got this solution from Wolfgang/Hans two years ago, so I suppose it's the officially recommended way. I do not know how heavy setupdirections is, but this method, I guess, applies that command *once per page*. It might be too much, but it's the price you pay for correct bidi formatting. For example, I hate to see that I need to babysit page numbers (LTR) within Farsi text (RTL) in headers but that's life. =E2=80=AAOn Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:22 AM =E2=80=ABIdris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7= =D8=AF=D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85= =D8=AF=E2=80=AC=E2=80=8E < Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> wrote:=E2=80=AC > Salaam, Mohammad Hossein, Otared, > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:27:56 -0600, Mohammad Hossein Bateni > wrote: > > > \startsetups[bidi:footnotes] > > \setupdirections[bidi=3Don] > > \stopsetups > > \setupnotes[footnote][setups=3Dbidi:footnotes] > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 22:31:05 -0600, Otared Kavian > wrote: > > > %%%%% begin test-bidi-footnote.tex > > \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal] > > \startsetups[bidi:footnotes] > > \setupdirections[bidi=3Don] > > \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt] > > \stopsetups > > \setupnotes[footnote][setups=3Dbidi:footnotes] > > > > \starttext > > \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt] > > Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test > > \startfootnote > > Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test > > \stopfootnote{} > > \stoptext > > %%%%% end test-bidi-footnote.tex > > Many thanks. Question: Is this use of setups now the "official" or > preferred way to handle footnote typography options? On the surface, it > appears to be overkill. For the declaration > > \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal] > > shouldn't that mean that bidi is applied, well, globally? > > For \definedfont the behavior is less surprising, since that is obviously > a local command. But is setups the official way to globalize the command > (aside from typescripts or simplefonts)? > > Best wishes > Idris > > >> On 20 Jun 2018, at 23:22, =E2=81=A8Idris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8= =B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF=E2= =81=A9 > >> <=E2=81=A8Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu=E2=81=A9> wrote: > >> > >> Dear gang, > >> > >> In the attached/following example, bidi is not applied in the footnote= : > >> > >> \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal] > >> > >> \starttext > >> \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt] > >> Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test > >> \startfootnote > >> \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt] > >> Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test > >> \stopfootnote{} > >> \stoptext > >> > >> Is there something else that I need to do? Thanks in advance! > >> > >> [Also: Is there a way to not have to declare \definedfont twice?] > > > -- > Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor > Department of Philosophy > Colorado State University > Fort Collins, CO 80512 > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ --00000000000057e510056f26d67c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe, you would need the setups, even if you had set = up typescripts.=C2=A0 For some reason, the environments for footnotes and m= arginnotes are different from that of the main content's.

I got this solution from Wolfgang/Hans two years ago, so I suppose it= 's the officially recommended way.

I do not kn= ow how heavy setupdirections is, but this method, I guess, applies that com= mand once per page.=C2=A0 It might be too much, but it's the pri= ce you pay for correct bidi formatting.=C2=A0 For example, I hate to see th= at I need to babysit page numbers (LTR) within Farsi text (RTL) in headers = but that's life.

=E2=80=AAOn Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:22 AM =E2=80=ABIdris Samawi Hamid = =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7= =D9=85=D8=AF=E2=80=AC=E2=80=8E <Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> wrote:=E2=80=AC
Salaam, Mohammad Hossein, Otared,

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:27:56 -0600, Mohammad Hossein Bateni=C2=A0
<bateni@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

> \startsetups[bidi:footnotes]
> \setupdirections[bidi=3Don]
> \stopsetups
> \setupnotes[footnote][setups=3Dbidi:footnotes]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 22:31:05 -0600, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:

> %%%%% begin test-bidi-footnote.tex
> \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal]
> \startsetups[bidi:footnotes]
> \setupdirections[bidi=3Don]
> \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt]
> \stopsetups
> \setupnotes[footnote][setups=3Dbidi:footnotes]
>
> \starttext
> \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt]
> Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test
> \startfootnote
> Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test
> \stopfootnote{}
> \stoptext
> %%%%% end test-bidi-footnote.tex

Many thanks. Question: Is this use of setups now the "official" o= r=C2=A0
preferred way to handle footnote typography options? On the surface, it=C2= =A0
appears to be overkill. For the declaration

\setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal]

shouldn't that mean that bidi is applied, well, globally?

For \definedfont the behavior is less surprising, since that is obviously= =C2=A0
a local command. But is setups the official way to globalize the command=C2= =A0
(aside from typescripts or simplefonts)?

Best wishes
Idris

>> On 20 Jun 2018, at 23:22, =E2=81=A8Idris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF= =D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF= =E2=81=A9=C2=A0
>> <=E2=81=A8Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu=E2=81=A9> wrote:
>>
>> Dear gang,
>>
>> In the attached/following example, bidi is not applied in the foot= note:
>>
>> \setupdirections[bidi=3Dglobal]
>>
>> \starttext
>> \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt]
>> Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test
>> \startfootnote
>> \definedfont[file:almfixed.otf*arabic at 14pt]
>> Test =D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AA=D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=86 test
>> \stopfootnote{}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Is there something else that I need to do? Thanks in advance!
>>
>> [Also: Is there a way to not have to declare \definedfont twice?]<= br>

--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512
___________________________________________________________________________= ________
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maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/nt= g-context
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