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Juli 2019 um 02:57 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen : > On 7/20/2019 2:07 AM, Alan Braslau wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:58:27 +0900 > > Atsuhito Kohda wrote: > > > >> It is true quotes are language dependent but sometime we need > >> language independent quotes. So it will be nice if we can use > >> {``}, {''} and \quotation at the same time > > > > =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D > > indeed. `` and '' are (in tex) pseudo ligatures and not really a > portable standard, certainly not now that we have utf8 as input (in a > similar fashion users who need accented characters will not use \"u and > \'a any more) > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > --000000000000e6ad4e058e1ca5da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another option: Use the fabulous csq= uotes-package and map \quotation to \enquote:

=3D&= gt;
```
\usepackage{csquotes}
\let\quotation= =3D\enquote
```

Denis
Am Sa., 2= 0. Juli 2019 um 02:57=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
On 7/20/2019 2:07 AM, Alan Braslau wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:58:27 +0900
> Atsuhito Kohda <atsu10.kohda@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is true quotes are language dependent but sometime we need
>> language independent quotes. So it will be=C2=A0 nice if we can us= e
>> {``}, {''} and \quotation at the same time
>
> =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D

indeed. `` and '' are (in tex) pseudo ligatures and not really a portable standard, certainly not now that we have utf8 as input (in a
similar fashion users who need accented characters will not use \"u an= d
\'a any more)

Hans

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