Hi Pablo,

Thank you for the help!

I=E2=80=99m not using lists on that page =E2=80=A6 what I do use is a = figure with location=3Dleft, which is probably the culprit, as it ends up p= retty close to the footnote.

Is there any interest in fixing this= longstanding bug? It=E2=80=99s the only feature that=E2=80=99s just consis= tently broken for me =E2=80=A6

Best, Phil

Am = Di., 25. Feb. 2020 um 22:15=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>:

On 2/18/20 11:17 AM, Philipp A. wrote:
> For me it=E2=80=99s even worse (in mkiv), a paragraph of body text com= pletely
> overlaps my footnote.
>
> Where are the bottom notes placed? In the footer? Or how does it work?=
> How to debug it?

Hi Philipp,

I=E2=80=99m afraid that this misbehaviour is caused by the use of lists in = the
same page.

Even not using lists, the space before seems not to be honored when
using \setupnote[footnote].

Note handling seems to have been improved in both LMTX and MkIV. A
side-effect of this new handling is the random clash between body and
notes texts when using lists in the same page.

BTW, foonotes cannot be placed in the footer.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 \showframe\showgrid
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 \setuppapersize[A9]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 \starttext
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 \dorecurse{3}{%
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 text\footnote{note}\\}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 \stoptext

Sorry, but I=E2=80=99m afraid that I don=E2=80=99t know any way of debuggin= g it.

Pablo

> Am Sa., 14. Dez. 2019 um 19:41=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear list,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m afraid to admit that ConTeXt notes are = increasily problematic for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0me. I don=E2=80=99t think this is special to me and= I hope we can discuss the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0general issue.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bottom notes are somewhat tricky in ConTeXt. The us= er expects that these
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0notes (either footnotes, or linenotes) aren=E2=80= =99t moved to the next page. I
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mean, no reader expects to find a full footnote in = the next page from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the one that calls it. (At least, I have never seen= that in any book
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0read or paged through.)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There may be good reasons for that, but ConTeXt doe= sn=E2=80=99t enable this by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0default. Both options "split=3Dverystrict"= ; and "scope=3Dtext" have to be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0used in "\setupnote".
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This translated in wrong space before notes when pa= ragraph form was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0used. I was very interested to use these (line)note= s for critical
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0editions, but sometimes the text run into the notes= . I=E2=80=99m afraid that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0left linenotes extremely problematic to be used. >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With the arrival of LMTX, space before footnotes is= more problematic
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0than before. No paragraph notes, see the attached s= ample (wrong-6.png).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In other cases, ConTeXt seems to ignore totally tha= t the page bottom
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0contains footnotes.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I cannot provide minimal samples. Consider that if = it were so easy to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reproduce, problably the issue would have been gone= long ago.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Even when one avoids the problematic bottom partiti= on (which I did in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that case by removing the "before" option= from "\setupnote[footnote]"),
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0there is clearly an issue with the footnote having = its space before
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0remaining blank from the body text (wrong-2.png). >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My first question is why the bottom notes have prob= lems to preserve the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0space before them (and simultaneously remain in the= same page where they
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0come from). This applies also for paragraph notes.<= br> >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My second question is what can be improved to achie= ve what may be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0considered as a basic typographic feature.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sorry for not providing more than output samples. B= ear with me. I may
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not be an expert user, but I think I=E2=80=99m a fr= equent ConTeXt user. And I
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0don=E2=80=99t think it is totally wrong to consider= this a basic feature that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0needs to be improved.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Many thanks for your help in advance,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pablo

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