From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/93844 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Reller Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: two issues with interactive hyperlinks (please comment) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:30:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8834194776431450705==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456237898 30269 80.91.229.3 (23 Feb 2016 14:31:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Feb 23 15:31:27 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from zapf.boekplan.nl ([5.39.185.232] helo=zapf.ntg.nl) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYDzn-0007vA-Fa for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:31:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAE87032; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:30:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4qNjvOpEsiwx; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:30:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A287034; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:30:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D687034 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:30:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WDyeO1zKimH2 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:30:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-lf0-f54.google.com (mail-lf0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3DD97032 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:30:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by mail-lf0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 78so116151803lfy.3 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6KSOf6MEw8F7Mr95BeXXYAA4ndHuq8ixTk6skog5Plg=; b=Fs4M5ybPvVNO6PSHIVw0I5afhq5otOwOwMh7PbL4JR9dIskqv66ABXjPo3GXuFXBRM V986h3UVHY7lL+lWQRzLUnuD42oc/ri3AA8hUKE9h+g2PyjbaU4fIZr21UYVEnqwvbA0 0kI005/yGbTY5llnSVaYO2gcbKFbmWE8+DzHtoT3tX+rINkUB4TFdhbqPPcNZPmD5IHZ I1PC4XEoz2RPRX/gtLtWyYLhzkcrnq+AHmuZB1JQdzrq0/xxU3bEeX72V6drEaplwUdD MT/lIv1lrr56fWycVNASGJ/kGelboe4wUAK9wFR3mPu0N5QnhqRd9IUbS9XxRvn6Hn4M z0Bg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=6KSOf6MEw8F7Mr95BeXXYAA4ndHuq8ixTk6skog5Plg=; b=H9oyD32P9XAodXZQIljUDNc91BQs3ft1wEH1s5cI9J3ImcTUMlUQRoFsxM7nu5M+Nx 6kVVwJdTM0F1OX1yit1ECIUblJSGJ8dlS/A4VreQvMC4MgEFcquddRj4BxKy00DD0IEJ FqmRFu1EhSeQCbtFkLijKHln9cs9yu7xfejXuzNNTNw8tF37gRfI6E81fabpbWDHV6CH u1WNfLDSlBoromOOxMsFp2tlbrZo9tjjhdLCALY71Rg/+K3U8HpNoaMGvGSwZ/BfN237 cnvbZtN6EsgHlw5jPokyUjt5qPGDjir6Dbecg963ZVFM+9zClr4yt52UluXdbKlzbVt4 zfMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQv+JCrfJ5dexfa12HuzWj1OA5UPr1rACBrgKtvTAVoCzZoyCRjmy0ziYeV5RkO+ggxljvpMfUXnItrlw== X-Received: by 10.25.151.135 with SMTP id z129mr10284289lfd.122.1456237835393; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:93844 Archived-At: --===============8834194776431450705== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114012a4e31f3e052c70cae7 --001a114012a4e31f3e052c70cae7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hans, First and foremost: Thank you for uploading the Beta! This solves the problem I have reported with \reference and focus=3Dstandard: https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg79620.html On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:00 PM Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 2/23/2016 12:21 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > > > I think that (futhermore not being a default) ConTeXt should implemente > > what is an ISO standard nowadays. > > well, i have been quite active in implementing what pdf provided and > constantly had to adapt to what acrobat finally implemented (often the > standard was ahead) and > ... > I agree with you and Pablo: the ISO standard is what counts. And I believe that named destinations, their use, and viewer behavior is described there clearly. ... so one handicap for me is that i won't make test docs for it > I will try to provide minimal examples that I believe are so common that the viewer behavior should be clear. ... > > And sorry, not being the default, why is wrong reading pages in fit to > > width mode? > > that one still has to make sure that there is a reasonable view area (so > that one sees what went and comes) ... i'm not sure how you handle it > but esp jumping from page to page in a fit width mode is quite annoying; > fit width actually makes sense when one makes each chapter (or section) > into one long page and i actually played with it but i found no viewer > capable to keep the same scale each page > I believe that many people have to make compromises, e.g., cannot afford the time or money to produce both a screen version and a print version of a document. I believe that the fit-width mode is a good compromise - as long as it is viewed in "continuous" viewing mode. ... > > Is there anything that I can do to help? I=E2=80=99m especially interes= ted in > > this feature. > > small few page examples with predictable positioning and predictable > spacing (btw, footnotes will always be sort of a pain as they are > rendered in special ways, but footnotes should be forbidden anyway; if > a doc is also for screen endnotes are way better) > I agree with you about footnotes. And, as mentioned above, I will try to come up with decent example documents. There are still cases in my documents that don't work and i will try to minimize these. Thanks again for your effort! Christoph --001a114012a4e31f3e052c70cae7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Hans,

First and foremost: Thank you = for uploading the Beta! This solves the problem I have reported with \refer= ence and focus=3Dstandard:

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:00 PM=C2=A0Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>=C2= =A0wrote:

On 2/23/2016 12:21 AM= , Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

> I think that (futhermore not being a default) ConTeXt should imple= mente
> what is an ISO standard nowadays.=C2=A0

well, i have been quite active in implementing what pdf provided and
constantly had to adapt to what acrobat finally implemented (often the
standard was ahead) and=C2=A0
... so one handicap for me is=C2=A0that = i won't make test docs for it
=C2=A0
I w= ill try to provide minimal examples that I believe are so common that the v= iewer behavior should be clear.

...
> And sorry, not being the default, why is wrong reading pages in= fit to
> width mode?

that one still has to make sure that there is a reasonable view area (so that one sees what went and comes) ... i'm not sure how you handle it but esp jumping from page to page in a fit width mode is quite annoying; fit width actually makes sense when one makes each chapter (or section)
into one long page and i actually played with it but i found no viewer
capable to keep the same scale each page
=C2=A0
<= div>I believe that many people have to make compromises, e.g., cannot affor= d the time or money to produce both a screen version and a print version of= a document. I believe that the fit-width mode is a good compromise - as lo= ng as it is viewed in "continuous" viewing mode.

...
> Is there anything that I can do to help? I=E2=80=99m especially intere= sted in
> this feature.

small few page examples with predictable positioning and predictable
spacing (btw, footnotes will always be sort of a pain as they are
rendered in special ways, but footnotes should be forbidden anyway; if a=C2= =A0doc is also for screen endnotes are way better)

I agree with you about footnotes. And, as = mentioned above, I will try to come up with decent example documents. There= are still cases in my documents that don't work and i will try to mini= mize these.

Thanks again for your effort!
Christoph
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