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There are versions for most operating systems, and emacs+auctex is surely the editing system of choice for any TeX-based system. -Alasdair 2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8= =A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF > Hi Kip, > > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:16:58 -0600, Kip Warner wrote= : > > As some of you may know, I'm working on a professional introductory book >>> for learning ConTeXt. Part of the philosophy of this book is to be as >>> self-contained as possible, so we'll be using a preferred editor. >>> >> > Hey Idris. I think writing a book is a great idea and much needed. I >> don't believe that tying it to a specific editor though is neither >> necessary nor a good idea. >> > > The Book will not be "tied" to an editor. However, one goal of the book i= s > to be accessible to absolute newbies for whom the TeX-vs-editor distincti= on > will be a turn-off. A complete newbie system should include an > editor/environment. The book will be arranged in a way that the two are n= ot > coupled, and those with some TeX or other technical background can easily > ignore Npp. > > > Not one editor/ide out there is ideal for ConTeXt (including bidi editin= g >>> and other user-friendly configurability). The best balance I could find >>> is >>> Notepad++ (Npp), and that's what I'm going with. >>> >> > The problem with Npp is that the tens of millions of users out there >> > > Wow, that would be great if we got tens of millions of users to buy the > Book :D :D :D > > > running operating systems like Ubuntu will not be able to use Notepad++ >> since it is written only for Windows. >> > > Well, most people using Linux have some technical facility, so they can > configure their own editors. > > > It might be better to decouple the >> editor from the information on ConTeXt itself and perhaps offer editor >> specific integration information in an appendix. >> > > That is actually one option I'm considering. In any case. > > > You'll find that Gedit, >> > > I did look at gedit, but for the current vision I have for introducing > ConTeXt to non-technical folks it does not work. > > Actually, I spent months checking for a better candidate than Npp, > experimenting with just about everything I could get my hands on. On bala= nce > Npp got the best score on all the benchmarks I set. That's not to say I > wouldn't prefer something better, but that decision is done, only to be > revisited if something really AMAZING happens in the next few months. > > WinEdt would really have been be my ideal choice -- but the lack of > unicode, bidi is just a non-starter. TeXWorks has a long way to go, and > although I'm a fan of Qt its open-type implementation is buggy; so some > Arabic-monospaced fonts don't show up correctly. > > > > for instance, is very easy to write syntax highlighting for. >> > > Syntax highlighting is only a small part of what we're doing with Npp. > Otherwise, just the user-defined dialog of Npp would be sufficient. > Click-and-tag, tooltips ... these make for real user-friendliness. > > Thanks for the criticism and > > > Best wishes > Idris > -- > Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief > International Journal of Sh=C4=AB=CA=BF=C4=AB Studies > Department of Philosophy > Colorado State University > Fort Collins, CO 80523 > ______________________________**______________________________** > _______________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/** > listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/**projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ______________________________**______________________________** > _______________________ > --=20 Blog: http://amca01.wordpress.com Web: http://bit.ly/Alasdair Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/alasdair.mcandrew --20cf30266ef2a5c44b04aa83ee93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe I'm missing the point, but what about Emacs?=C2=A0 There are vers= ions for most operating systems, and emacs+auctex is surely the editing sys= tem of choice for any TeX-based system.

-Alasdair

2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85= =D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF <ishamid@colostate.edu>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border= -left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi Kip,


On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:16:58 -0600, Kip Warner <kip@thevertigo.com> wrote:

As some of you may know, I'm working on a professional introductory boo= k
for learning ConTeXt. Part of the philosophy of this book is to be as
self-contained as possible, so we'll be using a preferred editor.

Hey Idris. I think writing a book is a great idea and much needed. I
don't believe that tying it to a specific editor though is neither
necessary nor a good idea.

The Book will not be "tied" to an editor. However, one goal of th= e book is to be accessible to absolute newbies for whom the TeX-vs-editor d= istinction will be a turn-off. A complete newbie system should include an e= ditor/environment. The book will be arranged in a way that the two are not = coupled, and those with some TeX or other technical background can easily i= gnore Npp.


Not one editor/ide out there is ideal for ConTeXt (including bidi editing and other user-friendly configurability). The best balance I could find is<= br> Notepad++ (Npp), and that's what I'm going with.

The problem with Npp is that the tens of millions of users out there

Wow, that would be great if we got tens of millions of users to buy the Boo= k :D :D :D


running operating systems like Ubuntu will not be able to use Notepad++
since it is written only for Windows.

Well, most people using Linux have some technical facility, so they can con= figure their own editors.


It might be better to decouple the
editor from the information on ConTeXt itself and perhaps offer editor
specific integration information in an appendix.

That is actually one option I'm considering. In any case.


You'll find that Gedit,

I did look at gedit, but for the current vision I have for introducing ConT= eXt to non-technical folks it does not work.

Actually, I spent months checking for a better candidate than Npp, experime= nting with just about everything I could get my hands on. On balance Npp go= t the best score on all the benchmarks I set. That's not to say I would= n't prefer something better, but that decision is done, only to be revi= sited if something really AMAZING happens in the next few months.

WinEdt would really have been be my ideal choice -- but the lack of unicode= , bidi is just a non-starter. TeXWorks has a long way to go, and although I= 'm a fan of Qt its open-type implementation is buggy; so some Arabic-mo= nospaced fonts don't show up correctly.



for instance, is very easy to write syntax highlighting for.

Syntax highlighting is only a small part of what we're doing with Npp. = Otherwise, just the user-defined dialog of Npp would be sufficient. Click-a= nd-tag, tooltips ... these make for real user-friendliness.

Thanks for the criticism and


Best wishes
Idris
--
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief
International Journal of Sh=C4=AB=CA=BF=C4=AB Studies
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
_____________________________________________________________= ______________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage =C2=A0: http= ://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive =C2=A0: http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/=
wiki =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : http://contextgarden.net
_____________________________________________________________= ______________________


=
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Blog: http://amca01.word= press.com
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