What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Marco Pessotto]

See the following minimal example (I'm not trying to typeset urls or
filesystem paths in this way, just regular text):

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\def\myslash{/\penalty-5000}
\starttext

\type{/}

{\bfd Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play}

\type{\slash}

{\bfd Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
Hate\slash Play}

\type{\textslash}

{\bfd Love\textslash Hate\textslash Play\textslash Love\textslash
Hate\textslash Play\textslash Love\textslash Hate\textslash
Play\textslash Love\textslash Hate\textslash Play}

\type{\myslash}

{\bfd Love\myslash Hate\myslash Play\myslash Love\myslash Hate\myslash
Play\myslash Love\myslash Hate\myslash Play\myslash Love\myslash
Hate\myslash Play}

\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Neither one of the first three solutions above give me the right thing,
because the line won't break at /. What am I missing?

A workaround seems to be 

 \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000} 

and then using \myslash instead of \slash, but I'm pretty sure I'm not
doing this right.

Thanks in advance

-- 
Marco

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 21-12-2010 12:34, Marco Pessotto wrote:
>
> See the following minimal example (I'm not trying to typeset urls or
> filesystem paths in this way, just regular text):
>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000}
> \starttext
>
> \type{/}
>
> {\bfd Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play}
>
> \type{\slash}
>
> {\bfd Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
> Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash

bla|/|bla

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 21.12.2010 um 00:34 schrieb Marco Pessotto:

> 
> See the following minimal example (I'm not trying to typeset urls or
> filesystem paths in this way, just regular text):
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000}
> \starttext
> 
> \type{/}
> 
> {\bfd Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play}
> 
> \type{\slash}
> 
> {\bfd Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
> Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
> Hate\slash Play}
> 
> \type{\textslash}
> 
> {\bfd Love\textslash Hate\textslash Play\textslash Love\textslash
> Hate\textslash Play\textslash Love\textslash Hate\textslash
> Play\textslash Love\textslash Hate\textslash Play}
> 
> \type{\myslash}
> 
> {\bfd Love\myslash Hate\myslash Play\myslash Love\myslash Hate\myslash
> Play\myslash Love\myslash Hate\myslash Play\myslash Love\myslash
> Hate\myslash Play}
> 
> \stoptext
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> 
> Neither one of the first three solutions above give me the right thing,
> because the line won't break at /. What am I missing?
> 
> A workaround seems to be 
> 
> \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000} 
> 
> and then using \myslash instead of \slash, but I'm pretty sure I'm not
> doing this right.

MkIV: \setbreakpoints[compound]

Wolfgang

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Marco Pessotto]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> On 21-12-2010 12:34, Marco Pessotto wrote:
>>
>> See the following minimal example (I'm not trying to typeset urls or
>> filesystem paths in this way, just regular text):
>>
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000}
>> \starttext
>>
>> \type{/}
>>
>> {\bfd Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play}
>>
>> \type{\slash}
>>
>> {\bfd Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
>> Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
>
> bla|/|bla
>

Thanks!

-- 
Marco

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Marco Pessotto]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:

> Am 21.12.2010 um 00:34 schrieb Marco Pessotto:
>
>> 
>> See the following minimal example (I'm not trying to typeset urls or
>> filesystem paths in this way, just regular text):
>> 
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000}
>> \starttext
>> 
>> \type{/}
>> 
>> {\bfd Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play/Love/Hate/Play}
>> 
>> \type{\slash}
>> 
>> {\bfd Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
>> Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash Hate\slash Play\slash Love\slash
>> Hate\slash Play}
>> 
>> \type{\textslash}
>> 
>> {\bfd Love\textslash Hate\textslash Play\textslash Love\textslash
>> Hate\textslash Play\textslash Love\textslash Hate\textslash
>> Play\textslash Love\textslash Hate\textslash Play}
>> 
>> \type{\myslash}
>> 
>> {\bfd Love\myslash Hate\myslash Play\myslash Love\myslash Hate\myslash
>> Play\myslash Love\myslash Hate\myslash Play\myslash Love\myslash
>> Hate\myslash Play}
>> 
>> \stoptext
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> 
>> Neither one of the first three solutions above give me the right thing,
>> because the line won't break at /. What am I missing?
>> 
>> A workaround seems to be 
>> 
>> \def\myslash{/\penalty-5000} 
>> 
>> and then using \myslash instead of \slash, but I'm pretty sure I'm not
>> doing this right.
>
> MkIV: \setbreakpoints[compound]
>

Ah, that's odd, because I've already defined that and I didn't realize
it fixed the problem (but I was used to type \slash from LaTeX, breaking
the typesetting). 

This \setbreakpoints looks like a panacea to me (it already fixed the
hyphen issue some weeks ago, but I didn't know it fixed the slash too).

I'm thinking how to make this information more accessible (because from
my point of view hate/love is not a compound word) on the wiki.

I found this in cont-new.mkiv

% potential new defaults: \setbreakpoints[compound]

Is this going to happen or there are serious reasons not to have it as
default?

Thanks again

-- 
Marco

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 21-12-2010 1:04, Marco Pessotto wrote:

> Is this going to happen or there are serious reasons not to have it as
> default?

The problem with automatisms is that they need a lot of testing and have 
the disadvantage that when one is unaware of it and doesn't want its 
effects it can take ages to conclude that the automatism is doing the 
unexpected thing.

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Marco Pessotto]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> On 21-12-2010 1:04, Marco Pessotto wrote:
>
>> Is this going to happen or there are serious reasons not to have it as
>> default?
>
> The problem with automatisms is that they need a lot of testing and
> have the disadvantage that when one is unaware of it and doesn't want
> its effects it can take ages to conclude that the automatism is doing
> the unexpected thing.
>

Thanks for your answer

I see and understand your point, and you're (obviously) right. 

I've updated this: 

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Composed_words

\setbreakpoints[compounds] will set as breakpoint "-" "+" "/" "(" and ")" 

Is it correct? (I've looked in the source, but just to be sure).

Bests

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Marco

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Re: What's the proper way to typeset a slash in a text flow?

[Hans Hagen]

On 22-12-2010 1:01, Marco Pessotto wrote:

> Is it correct? (I've looked in the source, but just to be sure).

yes

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