Re: ConTeXt as a service

[Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>]

Am 2019-11-23 um 16:50 schrieb Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>:
> 
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 16:40, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>> Am 2019-11-23 um 15:14 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 13:02, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>>>> Am 2019-11-23 um 08:12 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then you can use one of the online JS editors like CKeditor.\
>>>>> 
>>>>> Only if you spend an enormous amount of effort making sure that the
>>>>> code is properly cleaned up rather than containing a gazillion random
>>>>> html style tags which you can never reconstruct back into some
>>>>> structured form.
>>>> 
>>>> Don’t exaggerate. Or maybe your company didn’t think about which tags are really necessary.
>>>> A proper configuration that doesn’t allow nonsense, even if users paste text from Word documents, is not such a big effort.
>>> 
>>> I'm not exaggerating, I would gladly be convinced/proved that I'm
>>> wrong. How much effort (expressed in hours or days) do you think is
>>> needed to implement the following?
>> 
>> Oh, IMO that wishlist is very demanding. I’d say it’s more or less impossible with any HTML editor.
> 
> So where do we stand with "you are exaggerating, it's really simple",
> then? How many hours to configure it? ;)

I was thinking about text (articles, literature), you were thinking about complex material. The first is simple, the latter is, well, at least complex.

> (ConTeXt has no problems doing all that, and asciidoc as potential
> input format supports all the required features as well;

But that’s structured input; I thought we were talking about HTML editors.
HTML is only well structured (in a general sense, not XML) if you write it this way manually or if you severely limit the user of an editor.

> if a nice
> translation layer is defined, one can get both awesome html out of the
> box as well as high quality PDF. I'm just saying that I find MCE
> somewhat useless. Whether or not that's exaggerating ... still waiting
> to be proven wrong.)

MCE is a known example, but probably not the best for every purpose. Also a matter of taste...

>> The JS editors I know of allow for custom menus, and it should be easy to setup special divs for these warning sections.
>> I don’t know any good table or formula editors/plugins, though. I’m not up to date, but I guess with a graphical/“WYSIWYG” tool you’ll never get perfectly structured input and will never be able to address finer details of typography, esp. WRT math.
> 
> Well ... both Word and Open/LibreOffice do a pretty decent job w.r.t
> math nowadays, MathJax is awesome, and I've also seen some awesome
> javascript apps allowing you to edit equations. So it's not
> impossible. Just not that straightforward …

Since I seldom need formulae, I got no experience with those. Last time I had to use Word’s formula editor it was horrible, but that was in 2005 or so, and Microsoft did their homework since.
I guess it’s still easier to write TeX code than clicking formulae together.

> I'm not saying that I really need a WYSIWYG editor. Anyone who's
> supposed to enter correct complex formulas should be able to learn
> some basic markup language (I guess).

I agree.

Best, Hraban

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