From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/42820 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gerben Wierda Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: cont-enp.pdf on lulu Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200807212037.06180.john@wexfordpress.com> <5D9E79AF-5662-493B-B1E5-8086D472FCF0@rna.nl> <20080727124006947755.7b247440@gmail.com> <488DD5B4.5020205@wxs.nl> <488E2DD6.6080001@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217322300 23755 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 09:05:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:05:00 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jul 29 11:05:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNl8g-0008Rn-Lq for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:05:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796151FE83; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:04:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05779-04-5; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:03:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD9E1FE75; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C5F1FE78 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:03:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05779-04-4 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp-4.concepts.nl (smtp-4.concepts.nl [213.197.30.111]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804221FE6B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from d594e7d0.dsl.concepts.nl ([213.148.231.208] helo=mail.rna.nl) by smtp-4.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KNl6I-0002Mb-WB for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB956E7C86 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rna.nl Original-Received: from mail.rna.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vanroodewierda.rna.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5OfdZwr648I for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from hermione-a.rna.nl (hermione-a.rna.nl [192.168.2.87]) by mail.rna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403786E7C77 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:02:29 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <488E2DD6.6080001@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1KNl6I-0002Mb-WB X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: gerben.wierda@rna.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:42820 Archived-At: On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> Somehow, this might be applied to ConTeXt I think ;-). Three out of >> four afaic... > > well, it's one reason why we have multiple smaller manuals (often made > in sync with the specific feature) > > anyhow ... taco and i only have one livetime, 24h/day etc etc As you know, I know what you are talking about. And it is important also to keep your cups from running over if we want ConTeXt to succeed. > currently we spend quite some time on luatex/mp/mkiv (if not we > could as > well stop using tex in the near future) alongside our regular jobs ... I was wondering if you already know what you would have to use if not TeX. Is there an alternative at all? > we simply have not much more time available ... on the other hand, we > don't intend to stop soon, so eventually ... > > btw, quite some documentation about latex is *not* written by the > author(s) so it's not entirely fair to expect that taco and i write > all > of it -) But the initial manual (as Knuth said) is different from overview books like Kopka & Daly etc. Knuth wrote the TeXbook, the Metafont book. Lamport wrote the initial LaTeX book Packages for LaTeX like memoir come with a manual written by the authors. There are 'combination' manuals (Kopka etc) but they all are based on the availability of full initial manuals. But apart from that, the most imporant thing is that resources are scarce and you guys have limits we need to honour. I think we should find a way for you guys to go on and not get swamped by too much and thus we need to find a way to make your documentation work lighter (as obviously - for me - it does not get the attention it should). So I would propose to set up a way that a group of others can maintain documentation. Your task would then be an editor's task: proofread, suggest changes and agree. Minor changes can be done by the editors. major changes go past you and Taco as editors-in-chief. Your OK promotes it to alpha. And something like a manual (book) needs to be part of it. This should be based on (imo) merging the content of the excursion and the manual. The editors should be able to start a compilation run. The result should be the 'work in progress' pdf that has a fixed location on the pragma site. So, what we initially need is some sort of svn repository with access by a limited group, a mailing list for that group only. An e-mail adress to send documentation suggestions to. I am prepared to do some work on this (e.g. editor work). G ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________