project structure (bug?)

project structure (bug?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

does it make sense that eg

\clubpenalty=10000

doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
It must be repeated at top of each single component in order to work.

I am wondering what else works only when written in component (and is  
silently ignored although written in my environment-file) ...

Steffen

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Re: project structure (bug?)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> does it make sense that eg
> 
> \clubpenalty=10000
> 
> doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?

I think so, yes (technically it is a side-effect).

This should work even in the environment file:

   \def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
   \setdefaultpenalties

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: project structure (bug?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 08.02.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

>
>
> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> does it make sense that eg
>>
>> \clubpenalty=10000
>>
>> doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
>
> I think so, yes (technically it is a side-effect).
>
> This should work even in the environment file:
>
>    \def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
>    \setdefaultpenalties



And all of them like this?

\def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
\def\defaultwidowpenalty {10000}
\def\defaultdisplaywidowpenalty {10000}
\def\defaultbrokenpenalty {0}

\setdefaultpenalties


I experienced also very interesting differences between setting in  
environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] and in component \setuplayout 
[grid=yes]
compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes] .

As working with grid is in itself quite fragile (and surprising) I  
guess this is not explainable / avoidable?


Thanks,

Steffen


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Re: project structure (bug?)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Am 08.02.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
>>
>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> does it make sense that eg
>>>
>>> \clubpenalty=10000
>>>
>>> doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
>> I think so, yes (technically it is a side-effect).
>>
>> This should work even in the environment file:
>>
>>    \def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
>>    \setdefaultpenalties
> 
> 
> 
> And all of them like this?
> 
> \def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
> \def\defaultwidowpenalty {10000}
> \def\defaultdisplaywidowpenalty {10000}
> \def\defaultbrokenpenalty {0}
> 
> \setdefaultpenalties
> 
> 
> I experienced also very interesting differences between setting in  
> environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] and in component \setuplayout 
> [grid=yes]
> compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes] .
> 
> As working with grid is in itself quite fragile (and surprising) I  
> guess this is not explainable / avoidable?


grid mode has a separate set of defaults, yes. See core-spa.tex
(easier for me than writing it all down)

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: project structure (bug?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 08.02.2008 um 17:19 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Am 08.02.2008 um 16:58 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>>
>>>
>>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> does it make sense that eg
>>>>
>>>> \clubpenalty=10000
>>>>
>>>> doesn't work when written in a project's environment file?
>>> I think so, yes (technically it is a side-effect).
>>>
>>> This should work even in the environment file:
>>>
>>>    \def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
>>>    \setdefaultpenalties
>>
>>
>>
>> And all of them like this?
>>
>> \def\defaultclubpenalty {10000}
>> \def\defaultwidowpenalty {10000}
>> \def\defaultdisplaywidowpenalty {10000}
>> \def\defaultbrokenpenalty {0}
>>
>> \setdefaultpenalties
>>
>>
>> I experienced also very interesting differences between setting in
>> environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] and in component \setuplayout
>> [grid=yes]
>> compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes] .
>>
>> As working with grid is in itself quite fragile (and surprising) I
>> guess this is not explainable / avoidable?
>
>
> grid mode has a separate set of defaults, yes. See core-spa.tex
> (easier for me than writing it all down)


What about the difference in writing in
environment file \setuplayout[grid=no] plus in component \setuplayout 
[grid=yes]
compared to setting in environment file \setuplayout[grid=yes]

Why does this make a difference?

Steffen
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Re: project structure (bug?)

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

> Why does this make a difference?

see taco's answer; the layout is synchronized at certain points (those 
where dimensions may need recalculation), so any change can be made 
undone by this automatism; just use the setups to change your settings

Hans

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Re: project structure (bug?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 08.02.2008 um 18:19 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>> Why does this make a difference?
>
> see taco's answer; the layout is synchronized at certain points (those
> where dimensions may need recalculation), so any change can be made
> undone by this automatism; just use the setups to change your settings

Ah, down there it is! Thanks, found it.


% However, we will use setups:

% to be documented

... yes, glorious day when all this will be finally documented ,o)


Steffen
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