* active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
@ 2008-07-07 10:25 Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-07-07 11:20 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-07-07 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,
I would like to make the exclamation mark active within my Greek
environment; it should remain a normal letter outside of these
commands and environments. (Why? Exclamation marks aren't used in
Greek, and in mkii, I had mapped it to the sublinear dot which is used
for epigraphical and papyrological texts.)
In pdf(e)tex, Hans wrote this macro for me:
\long\def\rescanwithsetup#1#2%
{{\directsetup{#1}\scantokens{#2\ignorespaces}}}
but I'm not sure how to have a similar thing for mkiv (and ! is
special anyway, so I'm running into trouble here...). Any pointers? Or
is this a bad idea, and I should look for other solutions?
Thanks
Thomas
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* Re: active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
2008-07-07 10:25 active characters in mkiv (and mkii) Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2008-07-07 11:20 ` Hans Hagen
2008-07-07 11:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-07 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to make the exclamation mark active within my Greek
> environment; it should remain a normal letter outside of these
> commands and environments. (Why? Exclamation marks aren't used in
> Greek, and in mkii, I had mapped it to the sublinear dot which is used
> for epigraphical and papyrological texts.)
>
> In pdf(e)tex, Hans wrote this macro for me:
>
> \long\def\rescanwithsetup#1#2%
> {{\directsetup{#1}\scantokens{#2\ignorespaces}}}
>
> but I'm not sure how to have a similar thing for mkiv (and ! is
> special anyway, so I'm running into trouble here...). Any pointers? Or
> is this a bad idea, and I should look for other solutions?
forget about the past, think about what kind of functionality you want
for instance,
"we need a language dependent feature that remaps characters"
so, what are the specs; maybe other languages need similar things
(there is already something available which we can easily extend)
Hans
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* Re: active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
2008-07-07 11:20 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-07-07 11:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-07-07 12:01 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-07-07 11:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> forget about the past, think about what kind of functionality you want
>
> for instance,
>
> "we need a language dependent feature that remaps characters"
>
> so, what are the specs; maybe other languages need similar things
>
> (there is already something available which we can easily extend)
OK, acknowledged. However, this is a special case because:
- it is not a language feature, it is just something for a special
sort of ancient Greek texts (the subdot accent doesn't exist in Greek);
- the character is available in just a few fonts, so my idea was to
really write a macro which will specifically fetch the glyph from a
specific font.
So for the time being, the specs are (for my module)
~ => inactive (already done in the module)
| => inactive (already done in the module)
! => active, map to Unicode character 0323 in a font that has this
character
Thanks Hans!
All best
Thomas
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* Re: active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
2008-07-07 11:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2008-07-07 12:01 ` Hans Hagen
2008-07-07 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-07 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> forget about the past, think about what kind of functionality you want
>>
>> for instance,
>>
>> "we need a language dependent feature that remaps characters"
>>
>> so, what are the specs; maybe other languages need similar things
>>
>> (there is already something available which we can easily extend)
>
> OK, acknowledged. However, this is a special case because:
>
> - it is not a language feature, it is just something for a special
> sort of ancient Greek texts (the subdot accent doesn't exist in Greek);
>
> - the character is available in just a few fonts, so my idea was to
> really write a macro which will specifically fetch the glyph from a
> specific font.
>
> So for the time being, the specs are (for my module)
>
> ~ => inactive (already done in the module)
> | => inactive (already done in the module)
> ! => active, map to Unicode character 0323 in a font that has this
> character
in that case, how abotu a fallback font ...
% \definefontfallback [whatever] [Slanted] [0x0060-0x007F] [force=yes]
% \definefontfallback [whatever] [Bold]
[0x0080:0x00FF,0x00A0:0x00AF] [rscale=2.0]
% \definefontfallback [whatever] [BoldSlanted] ["00C0-"00C7]
[check=yes,force=yes]
% \definefontfallback [whatever] [Mono] [latinextendeda]
[force=yes] % 0x0100:0x017F
% \definefontfallback [whatever] [Mono] [latin extended a]
[force=yes] % 0x0100:0x017F
%
% \definefontsynonym[SerifPlus][Serif][fallbacks=whatever]
%
% \definefont[MySerif][SerifPlus at 10pt]
%
% \startcolumns[n=6]
% \MySerif
% \dostepwiserecurse {0} {65000} {1} {
% \iffontchar\font\recurselevel
% {\tttf\uchexnumbers\recurselevel:} \char\recurselevel\par
% \fi
% }
% \stopcolumns
so, you define a fallbackfont for your greek font
Hans
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* Re: active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
2008-07-07 12:01 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-07-07 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-07-07 14:17 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-07-07 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> so, you define a fallbackfont for your greek font
>
> Hans
>
That looks good; I'll have a go at it (I guess the fallback can be
enabled on the typescript level, right?). However, I'm still left
wondering if it doesn't make sense to make the ! active and map it to
the sublinear dot - much easier to input via the keyboard.
Thanks
Thomas
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* Re: active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
2008-07-07 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2008-07-07 14:17 ` Hans Hagen
2008-07-07 18:37 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-07 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> so, you define a fallbackfont for your greek font
>>
>> Hans
>>
>
> That looks good; I'll have a go at it (I guess the fallback can be
> enabled on the typescript level, right?). However, I'm still left
> wondering if it doesn't make sense to make the ! active and map it to
> the sublinear dot - much easier to input via the keyboard.
no, active chars are a pain ... because they need to adapt to all kind
of situations then, i'm glad that i got rid of the active : cum suis
of course we can add a new core-spa feature that remaps chars (kind of
like french spacing)
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* Re: active characters in mkiv (and mkii)
2008-07-07 14:17 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-07-07 18:37 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-07-07 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> no, active chars are a pain ... because they need to adapt to all kind
> of situations then, i'm glad that i got rid of the active : cum suis
>
> of course we can add a new core-spa feature that remaps chars (kind of
> like french spacing)
OK, OK, you win :-) I'll try and see if I can cook up some remap +
fallback solution which I can implement. For the remapping stuff, I'll
go through fea-files or what would be the cleanest way?
Thomas
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