From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41648 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Valle Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: distro info Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:08:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6faad9f00806100858m332b0c18w1726368830a29a3c@mail.gmail.com> <46D24799-264A-4AFE-9089-A63F4226985C@mpq.mpg.de> <8687593C-CFC0-4F6A-9EA2-091FC7CBB2CC@di.unito.it> <6faad9f00806110905q32b9c142t6af44f2edf85adbf@mail.gmail.com> <4F0FF6A1-CBA4-455D-80A5-785E59607044@di.unito.it> <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0381932272==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213377017 5131 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 17:10:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jun 13 19:10:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7CnS-0007k4-GQ for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:10:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DFE1FCE4; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:09:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22287-02; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A071FD04; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:09:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D431FCE9 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:09:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22256-02-4 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from pianeta.di.unito.it (pianeta.di.unito.it [130.192.156.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A63B1FCCE for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.3.104] (multilabfw-nat3.multilab.unito.it [130.192.205.50]) by pianeta.di.unito.it (INFO-DIP) with ESMTP id m5DH8AZI000416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO userCertificateDN= AuthenticatedUser=valle ) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:08:10 +0200 (MEST) In-Reply-To: <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-dipinfo-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Department of Computer Science technical staff for more information X-AntiVirus: Scanned for viruses by VirusFinder @2001-tecnici@di.unito.it - Email Clean X-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-102.598, required 3.5, autolearn=not spam, AUTHENTICATEDUSER -100.00, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: valle@di.unito.it X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41648 Archived-At: --===============0381932272== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-101-993969544 --Apple-Mail-101-993969544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running > ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the > solution than ever. > :-( > > Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell (AKA > command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). That's not true. Installing mactex doesn't require you to use terminal. It comes with TeXShop. Works out of the box. That was my first =20 ConTeXt experience. Positive. Then I went into some memory problems with MetaPost, then I had to =20 modify some sources (thanks to Mojca) to work with XeTeX. Really a boring experience. Please don't tell me that the tree =20 structure of the TeX distro is easy to understand and traverse. > > Please everyone try to become computer literate! > (see also works by Friedrich Kittler) I agree with you. But it depends on what "computer literate" means. For me computer science is the science of algorithms (see the =20 definition of Schneider and Gersting). So, I'm interested in a higher level perspective. Otherwise, I could =20 start from assembler. Note also that I'm always teaching computer programming to students =20 in humanities. I'm asking them big steps into computer literacy. But I cannot exaggerate. I'm teaching them SuperCollider and Nodebox. I'd like to teach =20 ConTeXt focusing in computational typography, not into unix file =20 system (even if it can be very relevant). Note also that from the previous posts I still have not exactly =20 understood what I have to do to install Luatex (the famous minimals), =20= and it seems that many people are confused like me on using system =20 fonts. I'm scared of tweaking my actual XeConTeXt distro because to install =20 it has been a pain. Of course, everyone on the mailing list here is very friendly and =20 helpful, but I'd like not to bore you all with install troubles. Best -a- > -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who =20= doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this =20 guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with =20 me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss =20 Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- " Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty " (Ken Perlin on noise) --Apple-Mail-101-993969544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI = for running =A0
ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further = away from the =A0
solution than ever.

Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you = can't use a shell (AKA =A0
command = line AKA Terminal AKA DOS = box).

That's not = true.
Installing mactex doesn't require you to use = terminal.
It comes with TeXShop. Works out of the box. That = was my first ConTeXt experience. Positive.
Then I went into = some memory problems with MetaPost, then I had to modify some sources = (thanks to Mojca) to work with XeTeX.
Really a boring = experience. Please don't tell me that the tree structure of the TeX = distro is easy to understand and = traverse.


Please = everyone try to become computer literate!
(see = also works by Friedrich Kittler)

I = agree with you. But it depends on what "computer literate" = means.
For me computer science is the science of algorithms = (see the definition of Schneider and Gersting).
So, I'm = interested in a higher level perspective. Otherwise, I could start from = assembler.
Note also that I'm always teaching computer = programming to students in humanities. I'm asking them big steps into = computer literacy.
But I cannot exaggerate.
I'm = teaching them SuperCollider and Nodebox. I'd like to teach ConTeXt = focusing in computational typography, not into unix file system (even if = it can be very relevant).=A0
Note also that from the = previous posts I still have not=A0exactly understood what I have to do = to install Luatex (the famous minimals), and it seems that many people = are confused like me on using system fonts.
I'm scared of = tweaking my actual XeConTeXt distro because to install it has been a = pain.

Of course, everyone on the mailing list = here is very friendly and helpful, but I'd like not to bore you all with = install = troubles.

Best

-a-
=







Andrea = Valle
--------------------------------------------------
CIRMA - DAMS
Universit=E0 degli Studi di = Torino
= --------------------------------------------------


I did this interview where I just = mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in = university, right? I was in this strip = club=A0givi= ng this guy a lap dance=A0and all he wanted to do was to = discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little = dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much = information.
(Annabel = Chong)



http://www.cirma.unito.it/andre= a/
= --------------------------------------------------


"
Think of it as = seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. = F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. = F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on = noise)





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