From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/29620 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sanjoy Mahajan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Charts, Graphs, Tufte, and ConTeXt Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153687166 31499 80.91.229.2 (23 Jul 2006 20:39:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jul 23 22:39:20 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4kjC-0003bB-Iw for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:39:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EADD1283C; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:39:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14968-02; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D473127FB; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A62127FB for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14672-03-2 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:38:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.8]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 78F81127EB for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:38:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.48.158] ident=mail) by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4kir-0005sF-N8; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:38:45 +0100 Original-Received: from sanjoy by skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1G4kir-0004NH-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:38:45 +0100 Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:04:14 MDT." X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:29620 Archived-At: > > Can TeX/LaTeX/ConTexT-based typesetting can look as good? Perhaps! > I'm curious: What is preventing ConTeXt in particular from looking > this good? What is the basis of your "Perhaps!"? What's missing? Mostly my lack of skill with ConTeXt, but the experts could say for sure. A likely trouble spot is automatic figure placement. Positioning involves compromising competing criteria: keep figures next to the text that references them (the ideal), but it may not fit. So failing that, keep it on the same page, or at least on the same double-page spread. Otherwise, on the next page. But where you put one figure will affect the placement of later figures. And maybe you paint yourself into a corner, and would like to backtrack and sacrifice excellent earlier placements in order to minimize terrible placements now... So the engine should typeset a document one chapter at a time (figures should never cross chapter boundaries). TeX does "one page and a bit" at a time, so fully automatic placement is difficult to program (and always tricky to use since it involves lots of hinting). Instead of doing it automatically, you can give a lot of help to the program, which is probably what you have to do with Quark. -Sanjoy `Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.' --Bertrand Russell, _War Crimes in Vietnam_, chapter 1.