From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/30825 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sanjoy Mahajan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: YABQ (yet another bib question...) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:34:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <56F339C9-40B5-4D0F-8310-4AB388899CDF@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1158323687 29751 80.91.229.2 (15 Sep 2006 12:34:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Sep 15 14:34:42 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOCtn-0007my-Cd for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60CF1FE36; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06910-03; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34251FE18; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8D91FE18 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07082-01 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.8]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 51BC71FE15 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:34:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.48.158] ident=mail) by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOCtb-0007h2-T6; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:34:15 +0100 Original-Received: from sanjoy by skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GOCtb-0008FR-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:34:15 +0100 Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:18:03 +0200." <56F339C9-40B5-4D0F-8310-4AB388899CDF@uni-bonn.de> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:30825 Archived-At: > IMHO, bibtex should now generate keys such as Hoek2006a and > Hoek2006b or authoryear references like Hoekwater (2006a) and > Hoekwater (2006b), but it should not (!) append the "a" and "b" to > the years in the bibliographic list itself. But I may be wrong here > - what do you and other users say? Should the (2006) in the example > above come out as "(2006a)" and "(2006b)"? At first I was sure that (2006a) and (2006b) are the right answer for the list. Othewise how else could the user know which entry to look up when they see, say, Hoekwater (2006b) in the text? But I just figured out the answer to that question: Users count 'a', 'b', ... starting with the first 2006 entry. However, I still don't think it's a good idea to make them do that. Let's not ask users to do what computers do very well (counting)! > And as I was suggesting: if you use numered references, I think it > would be best to just switch maybeyear off completely, so my > suggestion would be to have a switch "maybeyear = on/off" for the > \setuppublicationlist. Let me know whether I'm understanding it correctly. If you have a numbered reference list, then the year can still end up with a letter tag, e.g. 1. Taco Hoekwater. JournalA. 2006a 2. Taco Hoekwater. JournalB. 2006b Ah, I hadn't thought of that problem. You're right, there shouldn't be a maybeyear in this case since the list number disambiguates the reference completely. -Sanjoy `Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.' --Bertrand Russell, _War Crimes in Vietnam_, chapter 1.