\sf and bigggg fonts

\sf and bigggg fonts

[Xan]

Hi,

Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf 
and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist

And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in 
text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally 
(and don't touch \setupbodyfont)

Thanks in advance,
Xan.

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:

> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist

\ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)


> And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in
> text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally
> (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)

\switchtobodyfont inside a group will change the font temporarily. For 
using very large fonts, you may have to define the font dimension in 
\definebodyfont or \definebodyfontenvironment.

Aditya

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Xan]

En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
> 
>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
> 
> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
> 

\sf is Sans Serif (latex)
[\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic \bf 
boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]

> 
>> And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in
>> text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally
>> (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)
> 
> \switchtobodyfont inside a group will change the font temporarily. For 
> using very large fonts, you may have to define the font dimension in 
> \definebodyfont or \definebodyfontenvironment.

Okay.

Thanks,
Xan.

PS: A couriosity: is there a roadmap of versions/features for context?. 
I see that context is continously improved....


> 
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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:

> En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
>>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
>>
>> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
>>
>
> \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
> [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic \bf
> boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]

\ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with 
context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead 
of ss.

>>
>>> And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in
>>> text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally
>>> (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)
>>
>> \switchtobodyfont inside a group will change the font temporarily. For
>> using very large fonts, you may have to define the font dimension in
>> \definebodyfont or \definebodyfontenvironment.
>
> Okay.
>
> Thanks,
> Xan.
>
> PS: A couriosity: is there a roadmap of versions/features for context?.
> I see that context is continously improved....

An old document http://pragma-ade.com/present/road/roadmap.pdf
and recent changes http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mk.pdf

AFIAU, new features are based on user's requests and Hans' needs.

Aditya

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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2007/3/7, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>
> > En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
> >> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
> >>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
> >>
> >> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
> >>
> >
> > \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
> > [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic \bf
> > boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]
>
> \ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with
> context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead
> of ss.


You are wrong, \ss is in plain TeX the command to produce the german ß.
There has never been a predefined command to swith to a sans serif font like
the corresponding switches for bold and italic.


> >>
> >>> And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt)
> in
> >>> text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally
> >>> (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)
> >>
> >> \switchtobodyfont inside a group will change the font temporarily. For
> >> using very large fonts, you may have to define the font dimension in
> >> \definebodyfont or \definebodyfontenvironment.
> >
> > Okay.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Xan.
> >
> > PS: A couriosity: is there a roadmap of versions/features for context?.
> > I see that context is continously improved....
>
> An old document http://pragma-ade.com/present/road/roadmap.pdf
> and recent changes http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mk.pdf
>
> AFIAU, new features are based on user's requests and Hans' needs.
>
> Aditya
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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> 2007/3/7, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
>> 
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>> 
>> > En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
>> >> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
>> >>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
>> >>
>> >> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
>> >>
>> >
>> > \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
>> > [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic \bf
>> > boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]
>> 
>> \ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with
>> context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead
>> of ss.
>
>
> You are wrong, \ss is in plain TeX the command to produce the german ß.
> There has never been a predefined command to swith to a sans serif font like
> the corresponding switches for bold and italic.

so much for the feeling that I was beginning to understand fonts :-(

Aditya

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Xan]

En/na Wolfgang Schuster ha escrit:
> 2007/3/7, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>>
>> > En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
>> >> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
>> >>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
>> >>
>> >> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
>> >>
>> >
>> > \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
>> > [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic 
>> \bf
>> > boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]
>>
>> \ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with
>> context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead
>> of ss.
> 
> 
> You are wrong, \ss is in plain TeX the command to produce the german ß.
> There has never been a predefined command to swith to a sans serif font 
> like
> the corresponding switches for bold and italic.
> 
> 

So, is there any command for that?. How can I get \sf in latex in context?

Thanks,
Xan.

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:

> En/na Wolfgang Schuster ha escrit:
>> 2007/3/7, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>>>
>>>> En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
>>>>>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
>>>>>
>>>>> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
>>>> [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic
>>> \bf
>>>> boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]
>>>
>>> \ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with
>>> context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead
>>> of ss.
>>
>>
>> You are wrong, \ss is in plain TeX the command to produce the german ß.
>> There has never been a predefined command to swith to a sans serif font
>> like
>> the corresponding switches for bold and italic.
>>
>>
>
> So, is there any command for that?. How can I get \sf in latex in context?

In ConTeXt, \ss switches to sans serif. What Wolfgang meant (IIUC) was 
that there is no command in plain tex to switch to sans serif.

More details are at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Basic_Text_Formatting

Aditya

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Xan]

En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
> 
>> En/na Wolfgang Schuster ha escrit:
>>> 2007/3/7, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
>>>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried \sf
>>>>>>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
>>>>>> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
>>>>>>
>>>>> \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
>>>>> [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic
>>>> \bf
>>>>> boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]
>>>> \ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with
>>>> context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead
>>>> of ss.
>>>
>>> You are wrong, \ss is in plain TeX the command to produce the german ß.
>>> There has never been a predefined command to swith to a sans serif font
>>> like
>>> the corresponding switches for bold and italic.
>>>
>>>
>> So, is there any command for that?. How can I get \sf in latex in context?
> 
> In ConTeXt, \ss switches to sans serif. What Wolfgang meant (IIUC) was 
> that there is no command in plain tex to switch to sans serif.
> 
> More details are at 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Basic_Text_Formatting
> 

Okay. Clarified.
But it does not appear in this wiki page. Maybe you could update it

For the other hand, can you inform me how to translate context interface 
in catalan and spanish language?. Is there any .po file? I don't know 
how context works in this aspect.

And another question: is there a "context planet"? Funny if I could see 
the comments about developers and context users.

Thanks,
Xan.
> Aditya
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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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2007/3/7, Xan <DXpublica@telefonica.net>:
>
> En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
> > On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
> >
> >> En/na Wolfgang Schuster ha escrit:
> >>> 2007/3/7, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>:
> >>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> En/na Aditya Mahajan ha escrit:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Xan wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it possible to have the equivalent in \sf in context?. I tried
> \sf
> >>>>>>> and I get an error. Strange because \sl, \bf, etc exist
> >>>>>> \ss? (I am not sure what \sf is supposed to be, so just guessing)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> \sf is Sans Serif (latex)
> >>>>> [\rm roman, \tt typewriter, \sl slanted, \emph empasized, \it italic
> >>>> \bf
> >>>>> boldface; see "a not so short intro to latex" for example]
> >>>> \ss is plain tex's font command for sans serif, and works with
> >>>> context. I do not know why latex chose \sf (sffamily, textsf) instead
> >>>> of ss.
> >>>
> >>> You are wrong, \ss is in plain TeX the command to produce the german
> ß.
> >>> There has never been a predefined command to swith to a sans serif
> font
> >>> like
> >>> the corresponding switches for bold and italic.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> So, is there any command for that?. How can I get \sf in latex in
> context?
> >
> > In ConTeXt, \ss switches to sans serif. What Wolfgang meant (IIUC) was
> > that there is no command in plain tex to switch to sans serif.
> >
> > More details are at
> > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Basic_Text_Formatting
> >
>
> Okay. Clarified.
> But it does not appear in this wiki page. Maybe you could update it
>
> For the other hand, can you inform me how to translate context interface
> in catalan and spanish language?. Is there any .po file? I don't know
> how context works in this aspect.
>
> And another question: is there a "context planet"? Funny if I could see
> the comments about developers and context users.
>
> Thanks,
> Xan.


Hi Xan,

you should look at the header in the 3rd column.

Wolfgang

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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Xan]

>> >
>>
>> Okay. Clarified.
>> But it does not appear in this wiki page. Maybe you could update it
>>
>> For the other hand, can you inform me how to translate context interface
>> in catalan and spanish language?. Is there any .po file? I don't know
>> how context works in this aspect.
>>
>> And another question: is there a "context planet"? Funny if I could see
>> the comments about developers and context users.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Xan.
> 
> 
> Hi Xan,
> 
> you should look at the header in the 3rd column.
> 
> Wolfgang

Oh!. Yes. Sorry. I looked in the rows

Thanks,
Xan.
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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 3/7/07, Xan wrote:
>
> For the other hand, can you inform me how to translate context interface
> in catalan and spanish language?. Is there any .po file? I don't know
> how context works in this aspect.

If you say \mainlanguage[es] or \mainlanguage[spanish] to get spenish
labels and hyphenation.

If you want support for Catalan, you need to translate the strings in
lang-ita.tex (and some minor additional cosmetics).

If you would like to use different commands (Spanish equivalent of
\setupsomething etc.), you need to look into the source (it's done for
quite some languages already) and add Spanish strings - there are lots
of files to patch. But I would think twice before doing that. If there
is no manual with these commands, it's hard for users to find them,
and some commands are not translated (listed for translation) at all.

Mojca

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Xan]

En/na Mojca Miklavec ha escrit:
> On 3/7/07, Xan wrote:
>> For the other hand, can you inform me how to translate context interface
>> in catalan and spanish language?. Is there any .po file? I don't know
>> how context works in this aspect.
> 
> If you say \mainlanguage[es] or \mainlanguage[spanish] to get spenish
> labels and hyphenation.
> 
> If you want support for Catalan, you need to translate the strings in
> lang-ita.tex (and some minor additional cosmetics).

I just want to translate the strings appear when we run texexec
I  what file are these?

Thanks,
Xan.


> 
> If you would like to use different commands (Spanish equivalent of
> \setupsomething etc.), you need to look into the source (it's done for
> quite some languages already) and add Spanish strings - there are lots
> of files to patch. But I would think twice before doing that. If there
> is no manual with these commands, it's hard for users to find them,
> and some commands are not translated (listed for translation) at all.
> 
> Mojca
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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:35:41 +0100
Xan <DXpublica@telefonica.net> wrote:

> En/na Mojca Miklavec ha escrit:
> > On 3/7/07, Xan wrote:
> >> For the other hand, can you inform me how to translate context interface
> >> in catalan and spanish language?. Is there any .po file? I don't know
> >> how context works in this aspect.
> > 
> > If you say \mainlanguage[es] or \mainlanguage[spanish] to get spenish
> > labels and hyphenation.
> > 
> > If you want support for Catalan, you need to translate the strings in
> > lang-ita.tex (and some minor additional cosmetics).
> 
> I just want to translate the strings appear when we run texexec
> I  what file are these?
> 
> Thanks,
> Xan.

Hi Xan,

the messages that appear on the terminal are spread above all modules
in the core files. The are written between the \startmessages ...
\stopmessages pair and give only the messages for the current interface
language.

I don't think it is possible to output spanish messages with the
english interface.

Wolfgang

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

> And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in 
> text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally 
> (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)

I've been wrapping the text in \begingroup..\endgroup and changing the
bodyfont inside it.  For example, to make slightly bigger titles (by
12%) than is possible with just \bfd:

\setuphead[title][style={\ss\bfd},
  before={\begingroup\setupbodyfont[14.4pt]},
  after={\bigskip\bigskip\endgroup}]

-Sanjoy

`Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

>> And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in
>> text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally
>> (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)
>
> I've been wrapping the text in \begingroup..\endgroup and changing the
> bodyfont inside it.  For example, to make slightly bigger titles (by
> 12%) than is possible with just \bfd:
>
> \setuphead[title][style={\ss\bfd},
>  before={\begingroup\setupbodyfont[14.4pt]},
>  after={\bigskip\bigskip\endgroup}]

For titles, I use the following.

\definefont[titlefont][SansBold at 14.4pt] %Or 14.4*d

\setuphead[title][style=\titlefont]

Aditya

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

> \definefont[titlefont][SansBold at 14.4pt] %Or 14.4*d
> 
> \setuphead[title][style=\titlefont]

That's useful.  One problem: When the title spans multiple lines, then
the \baselineskip won't be large enough.  That's why I like using the
builtin font-change operators.

-Sanjoy

`Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

>> \definefont[titlefont][SansBold at 14.4pt] %Or 14.4*d
>>
>> \setuphead[title][style=\titlefont]
>
> That's useful.  One problem: When the title spans multiple lines, then
> the \baselineskip won't be large enough.  That's why I like using the
> builtin font-change operators.

Are you sure? The baseline looks ok to me.


\definefont[titlefont][SansBold at 30pt]
\setuphead[title][style=\titlefont]


\starttext
\title{Hello world! hello hello hello hello hello}
\stoptext


Aditya

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

> Are you sure? The baseline looks ok to me.

I was more sure than I should have been -- you're right, it's fine.
Next time I'll run a real test rather than mentally simulate what I
think ConTeXt will do!

-Sanjoy

`Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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2007/3/7, Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk>:
>
> > And another question: how to make very big fonts (for example: 60pt) in
> > text and mathematical mode? I just want to change the font temporally
> > (and don't touch \setupbodyfont)
>
> I've been wrapping the text in \begingroup..\endgroup and changing the
> bodyfont inside it.  For example, to make slightly bigger titles (by
> 12%) than is possible with just \bfd:
>
> \setuphead[title][style={\ss\bfd},
> before={\begingroup\setupbodyfont[14.4pt]},
> after={\bigskip\bigskip\endgroup}]


why not

\setuphead
  [title]
  [style=\ss\bfd,
   before={\switchtobodyfont[14.4pt]},
   after={\switchtobodyfont[global]}]

-Sanjoy
>
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Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

> why not
> 
> \setuphead
>   [title]
>   [style=\ss\bfd,
>    before={\switchtobodyfont[14.4pt]},
>    after={\switchtobodyfont[global]}]

Because I didn't know about the global option :-)

It's cleaner than my method.  It's only disadvantage is that the
global setting may not be the one in effect just outside the \title.
e.g.

  \setupbodyfont[10pt]
  \starttext

  \begingroup
  \setupbodyfont[20pt]
  A big line

  \title{some title}

  after the title
  \endgroup

  More text

  \stoptext

would put 'after the title' in 10pt instead of 20pt.

-Sanjoy

`Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)

Re: \sf and bigggg fonts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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2007/3/7, Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk>:
>
> > why not
> >
> > \setuphead
> >   [title]
> >   [style=\ss\bfd,
> >    before={\switchtobodyfont[14.4pt]},
> >    after={\switchtobodyfont[global]}]
>
> Because I didn't know about the global option :-)
>
> It's cleaner than my method.  It's only disadvantage is that the
> global setting may not be the one in effect just outside the \title.
> e.g.
>
> \setupbodyfont[10pt]
> \starttext
>
> \begingroup
> \setupbodyfont[20pt]
> A big line
>
> \title{some title}
>
> after the title
> \endgroup
>
> More text
>
> \stoptext
>
> would put 'after the title' in 10pt instead of 20pt.
>
> -Sanjoy


Hi Sanjoy,

i forget this when I was writing my last mail, it is indeed better to change
the font inside a group instead a global change.

Wolfgang

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