From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/80590 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith J. 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ConTeXt, does have the functionality that I was suggesting. I must say though that it seems just 2-3 weeks young and searching for the command defineparagraph brings up Nil on ConTeXt Garden. Thank, you for the example. Yet, is not quite what I had in mind. But, that does not matter for = right now. Hans already said it is non trivial to get the functionality of what=20 I has suggest. Which was to introduce the concept of a "paragraph" into ConTeXt that TeX does not have and not have to use startparagraph and stopparagraph all the time for a "standard" paragraph. Yes, Yes, I know how to use setupbodyfont, setupdenting, and the likes for that! I was aware that I could develop my own environments for paragraphs The paragraph environment does pretty much close the gap and it will be = very beneficial=20 to the beginners and converts. Thanx to whoever did the work and to you, too. regards Keith. Am 01.02.2013 um 04:58 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster = : >=20 > Am 31.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb "Keith J. Schultz" = : >=20 >> Hi Wolfgang, >>=20 >> You do seem to understand what I am getting at! >>=20 >> I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I = have suggest was >> one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can = just like the headers >> have control over them. [deleted example for brevities sake] >> Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: >>=20 >>> ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags = when you export the document >>> as XML or create a tagged PDF. >>>=20 >>> The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already = mentioned nothing to do with paragraphs, >>> it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai = multiple paragraphs. The name >>> for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken = as name. >>=20 >> Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I = already have an idea. >> Just need to figure out the implementation. >=20 > You can use \definestartsetup or \definebuffer to create your own = environments. --Apple-Mail=_68F295B3-E1F5-4D6C-89DB-4DA249BC9B7A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Wolfgang,

I do = apologize.

ConTeXt, does have the functionality = that I was suggesting.
I must say though that it seems just = 2-3 weeks young and
searching for the command defineparagraph = brings up
Nil on ConTeXt Garden. Thank, you for the = example.

Yet, is not quite what I had in mind. = But, that does not matter for right now.
Hans already said it = is non trivial to get the functionality of what 
I has = suggest. Which was to introduce the concept of a "paragraph" = into
ConTeXt that TeX does not have and not have to use = startparagraph and
stopparagraph all the time for a "standard" = paragraph.

Yes, Yes, I know how to use = setupbodyfont, setupdenting, and the likes
for = that!

I was aware that I could develop my own = environments for paragraphs

The paragraph = environment does pretty much close the gap and it will be very = beneficial 
to the beginners and = converts.

Thanx to whoever did the work and to = you, too.

regards
= Keith.

Am 01.02.2013 um 04:58 schrieb = Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster@gmail.com>:

Hi = Wolfgang,

You do seem to understand what I am getting = at!

I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. = because the environment that I have suggest was
one that had = setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just like the = headers
have control over = them.

[del= eted example for brevities sake]

Furthermore, you = have stated on the on the 30th:

ConTeXt provides = also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you export the = document
as XML or create a tagged = PDF.

The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans = already mentioned nothing to do with paragraphs,
it just puts the content on columns where each column can = con tai multiple paragraphs. The name
for the = environment is misleading because columns is already taken as = name.