format generation -- again!

format generation -- again!

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

All,

I just hit a snag in generating formats with --make --all. It works  
flawlessly on my computers running Mac OS X or linux, but ALan Bowen  
has a problem where .pat files with Unicode characters aren't  
recognized:

(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-us.hyp)
language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
! Nonletter.
\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
\or
     \or
\or     \or
                                                   \or \or \or \or  
\or \...
l.37 α2Ϊ
           1
?

I compared the cont-en.log of our computers; the only real difference  
is the beginning:

My log:
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.141592-1.40.0-beta-20060213 (Web2C 7.5.5)  
(INITEX)  26 MAY 2006 19:42
entering extended mode
\write18 enabled.
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/natural.tcx)
***cont-en
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/cont-en.tex
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/context.tex
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/syst-pln.tex

Alan's log:
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.4-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) (INITEX)   
24 MAY 2006 06:40
entering extended mode
***cont-en.ini
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/config/cont-en.ini
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/cont-en.tex
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/context.tex
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/syst-pln.tex

Both have the latest release. So the only difference that really  
could matter:
1. older version of pdf(e)tex;
2. natural.tcx is not called.

Can anybody help? I'm unable to reproduce the problem here; I can  
generate formats both with texmfstart texexec --make --all and with  
fmtutil-sys --byfmt cont-en.

Best

Thomas
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Re: format generation -- again!

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Alan's log:
> This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.4-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) (INITEX)   
> 24 MAY 2006 06:40
> entering extended mode
> ***cont-en.ini
> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/config/cont-en.ini
> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/cont-en.tex
> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/context.tex
> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/syst-pln.tex
>
> Both have the latest release. So the only difference that really  
> could matter:
> 1. older version of pdf(e)tex;
>   
no problem here
> 2. natural.tcx is not called.
>   
probably the problem
> Can anybody help? I'm unable to reproduce the problem here; I can  
> generate formats both with texmfstart texexec --make --all and with  
> fmtutil-sys --byfmt cont-en.
>   
i dunno how fmtutil works, but maybe you can pass the -8bit switch to pdftex somehow (or translate-file=natural.tcx) 

an alternative is to regenerate the patterns 

  ctxtools --pat  

will generate them, given that in the meantime the original names/content of pattern sources hasn't changed) 

i know from discussion on the tex live list that tetex was ot that fond of being 8 bit clean (all this locale stuff and wanting to have ^^X kind dof output on the terminal) but because context (sometimes) need a round trip 8 bit, i assume an 8 bit clean tex

(btw, fmtutil does not support the engine subpath either - which was reported to be too complex to implement) 

Hans 


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Re: format generation -- again!

[Alan Bowen]

Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert mode), I  
completely erased teTeX,
re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the latest  
ConTeXt.

cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
grep agr cont-en.log

produces
	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-agr.tex)
	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation patterns
are not available, though they presumably should be since the files  
lang-agr.hyp and
lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.

When I try to regenerate the formats using

sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/ 
texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all

I get the error message

language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
! Nonletter.
\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
\or
     \or
\or     \or
                                                   \or \or \or \or  
\or \...
l.37 α2Ϊ
           1
?

So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce  
the problem at his end.
So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received.

By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X 10.4.6 on  
a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.

Alan




On May 31, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> Alan,
>
> I really have no idea what's wrong there, but it must be a
> misconfiguration on your system. I just double-checked: wiped the  
> entire
> TeX installation on my laptop. Reinstalled with Gerben's installer,
> expert mode, texlive 2005. Everything fine. Run Gerben's Context
> updater. I get version 2006-05-28, greek hyphenation is included.  
> To be
> sure, I run texmfstart texexec --make --all afterwards, again, formats
> are generated without any problem. That's all I can say: it's not a
> ConTeXt problem and not a problem with Gerben's distribution; for the
> rest, I really can't be of any help because I can't reproduce the
> problem. My only guess would be: see if there's a directory "web2c" in
> your ~/Library/texmf and if there is, try moving it out of the way,  
> but
> this is just a far shot.
>
> Good luck
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 06:46 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>> It’s the file I was compiling in making the log from which the
>> excerpt came.
>>
>> Alan
>> On May 30, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 16:45 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>> **&cont-en 2005-12-03_Lautner.tex
>>>> (./2005-12-03_Lautner.tex
>>>
>>> What is this Lautner.tex thing?
>>>
>>> T.
>>>
>>
>

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Re: format generation -- again!

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert mode), I  
> completely erased teTeX,
> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the latest  
> ConTeXt.
>
> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
> grep agr cont-en.log
>
> produces
> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-agr.tex)
> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation patterns
> are not available, though they presumably should be since the files  
> lang-agr.hyp and
> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>
> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>
> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/ 
> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>
> I get the error message
>
> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
> ! Nonletter.
> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
> \or
>      \or
> \or     \or
>                                                    \or \or \or \or  
> \or \...
> l.37 α2Ϊ
>            1
> ?
>
> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce  
> the problem at his end.
> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received.
>
> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X 10.4.6 on  
> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>   
>> Alan,
>>
>> I really have no idea what's wrong there, but it must be a
>> misconfiguration on your system. I just double-checked: wiped the  
>> entire
>> TeX installation on my laptop. Reinstalled with Gerben's installer,
>> expert mode, texlive 2005. Everything fine. Run Gerben's Context
>> updater. I get version 2006-05-28, greek hyphenation is included.  
>> To be
>> sure, I run texmfstart texexec --make --all afterwards, again, formats
>> are generated without any problem. That's all I can say: it's not a
>> ConTeXt problem and not a problem with Gerben's distribution; for the
>> rest, I really can't be of any help because I can't reproduce the
>> problem. My only guess would be: see if there's a directory "web2c" in
>> your ~/Library/texmf and if there is, try moving it out of the way,  
>> but
>> this is just a far shot.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 06:46 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>     
>>> It’s the file I was compiling in making the log from which the
>>> excerpt came.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> On May 30, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 16:45 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> **&cont-en 2005-12-03_Lautner.tex
>>>>> (./2005-12-03_Lautner.tex
>>>>>           
>>>> What is this Lautner.tex thing?
>>>>
>>>> T.
>>>>
>>>>         
it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead) 

[patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now] 

Hans 

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Re: format generation -- again!

[Alan Bowen]

On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert mode), I
>> completely erased teTeX,
>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the latest
>> ConTeXt.
>>
>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>
>> produces
>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-agr.tex)
>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation patterns
>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the files
>> lang-agr.hyp and
>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>
>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>
>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/
>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>
>> I get the error message
>>
>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
>> ! Nonletter.
>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>> \or
>>      \or
>> \or     \or
>>                                                    \or \or \or \or
>> \or \...
>> l.37 α2Ϊ
>>            1
>> ?
>>
>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce
>> the problem at his end.
>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received.
>>
>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X 10.4.6 on
>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>
>> Alan
>>
> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or  
> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>
> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in  
> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>
> Hans

Thanks, Hans. I tried
	texexec --make --all
but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
	! Nonletter.
	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
	\or
	    \or
	\or     \or
	                                                  \or \or \or \or  
\or \...
	l.37 α2Ϊ
	          1
	?

Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?

Alan

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Re: format generation -- again!

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>   
>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>     
>>> Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert mode), I
>>> completely erased teTeX,
>>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the latest
>>> ConTeXt.
>>>
>>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>>
>>> produces
>>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-agr.tex)
>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation patterns
>>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the files
>>> lang-agr.hyp and
>>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>>
>>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>>
>>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/
>>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>>
>>> I get the error message
>>>
>>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
>>> ! Nonletter.
>>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>> \or
>>>      \or
>>> \or     \or
>>>                                                    \or \or \or \or
>>> \or \...
>>> l.37 α2Ϊ
>>>            1
>>> ?
>>>
>>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce
>>> the problem at his end.
>>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received.
>>>
>>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X 10.4.6 on
>>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>       
>> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or  
>> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>>
>> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in  
>> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>>
>> Hans
>>     
>
> Thanks, Hans. I tried
> 	texexec --make --all
> but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-agr.pat
> 	! Nonletter.
> 	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
> 	\or
> 	    \or
> 	\or     \or
> 	                                                  \or \or \or \or  
> \or \...
> 	l.37 α2Ϊ
> 	          1
> 	?
>
> Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?
>   
is there a natural.tcx file on your system? and is loading it reported?

in the worst case you can say:

ctxtools --pat

and move the generated pattern files to tex/context/patterns

Hans 


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Re: format generation -- again!

[Alan Bowen]

On Jun 1, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert mode), I
>>>> completely erased teTeX,
>>>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the  
>>>> latest
>>>> ConTeXt.
>>>>
>>>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>>>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>>>
>>>> produces
>>>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-agr.tex)
>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation  
>>>> patterns
>>>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the files
>>>> lang-agr.hyp and
>>>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>>>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>>>
>>>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>>>
>>>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/
>>>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>>>
>>>> I get the error message
>>>>
>>>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>>>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang- 
>>>> agr.pat
>>>> ! Nonletter.
>>>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>> \or
>>>>      \or
>>>> \or     \or
>>>>                                                    \or \or \or \or
>>>> \or \...
>>>> l.37 α2Ϊ
>>>>            1
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce
>>>> the problem at his end.
>>>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X  
>>>> 10.4.6 on
>>>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or
>>> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>>>
>>> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in
>>> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Hans. I tried
>> 	texexec --make --all
>> but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang- 
>> agr.pat
>> 	! Nonletter.
>> 	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>> 	\or
>> 	    \or
>> 	\or     \or
>> 	                                                  \or \or \or \or
>> \or \...
>> 	l.37 α2Ϊ
>> 	          1
>> 	?
>>
>> Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?
>>
> is there a natural.tcx file on your system? and is loading it  
> reported?
>
> in the worst case you can say:
>
> ctxtools --pat
>
> and move the generated pattern files to tex/context/patterns
>
> Hans

Hans—

There is a natural.tcx in
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
but this is not mentioned in cont-en.log. It is loaded when I compile  
a file:
	This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.4-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5)  
(format=cont-en 2006.6.1)  1 JUN 2006 07:58
	entering extended mode
	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/natural.tcx)
	
	**&cont-en 2005-12-03_Lautner.tex
	(./2005-12-03_Lautner.tex

	ConTeXt  ver: 2006.05.28 13:28  fmt: 2006.6.1  int: english  mes:  
english

Where does ctxtools --pat generate the files?

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Re: format generation -- again!

[Alan Bowen]

On Jun 2, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:

>
> On Jun 1, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert  
>>>>> mode), I
>>>>> completely erased teTeX,
>>>>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the
>>>>> latest
>>>>> ConTeXt.
>>>>>
>>>>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>>>>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>>>>
>>>>> produces
>>>>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco- 
>>>>> agr.tex)
>>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation
>>>>> patterns
>>>>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the  
>>>>> files
>>>>> lang-agr.hyp and
>>>>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>>>>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/
>>>>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>>>>
>>>>> I get the error message
>>>>>
>>>>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>>>>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-
>>>>> agr.pat
>>>>> ! Nonletter.
>>>>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>>> \or
>>>>>      \or
>>>>> \or     \or
>>>>>                                                    \or \or \or \or
>>>>> \or \...
>>>>> l.37 α2Ϊ
>>>>>            1
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce
>>>>> the problem at his end.
>>>>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully  
>>>>> received.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X
>>>>> 10.4.6 on
>>>>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or
>>>> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>>>>
>>>> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in
>>>> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Hans. I tried
>>> 	texexec --make --all
>>> but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-
>>> agr.pat
>>> 	! Nonletter.
>>> 	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>> 	\or
>>> 	    \or
>>> 	\or     \or
>>> 	                                                  \or \or \or \or
>>> \or \...
>>> 	l.37 α2Ϊ
>>> 	          1
>>> 	?
>>>
>>> Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?
>>>
>> is there a natural.tcx file on your system? and is loading it
>> reported?
>>
>> in the worst case you can say:
>>
>> ctxtools --pat
>>
>> and move the generated pattern files to tex/context/patterns
>>
>> Hans
>
Hans—

When I tried
	ctxtools --pat
the response was
-bash: ctxtools: command not found

By the way, will the pattern file generated be different from the  
ones I already have in
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/?

Alan

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Re: format generation -- again!

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Alan Bowen wrote:

>
> On Jun 2, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using the latest version of Gerbenÿÿs i-Installer (expert
>>>>>> mode), I
>>>>>> completely erased teTeX,
>>>>>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the
>>>>>> latest
>>>>>> ConTeXt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>>>>>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>>>>>
>>>>>> produces
>>>>>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>>>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-
>>>>>> agr.tex)
>>>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>>>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation
>>>>>> patterns
>>>>>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the
>>>>>> files
>>>>>> lang-agr.hyp and
>>>>>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>>>>>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/
>>>>>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get the error message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>>>>>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-
>>>>>> agr.pat
>>>>>> ! Nonletter.
>>>>>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>>>> \or
>>>>>>      \or
>>>>>> \or     \or
>>>>>>                                                    \or \or \or \or
>>>>>> \or \...
>>>>>> l.37 ÿÿ2ÿÿ
>>>>>>            1
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce
>>>>>> the problem at his end.
>>>>>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully
>>>>>> received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X
>>>>>> 10.4.6 on
>>>>>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or
>>>>> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>>>>>
>>>>> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in
>>>>> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Hans. I tried
>>>> 	texexec --make --all
>>>> but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-
>>>> agr.pat
>>>> 	! Nonletter.
>>>> 	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>> 	\or
>>>> 	    \or
>>>> 	\or     \or
>>>> 	                                                  \or \or \or \or
>>>> \or \...
>>>> 	l.37 ÿÿ2ÿÿ
>>>> 	          1
>>>> 	?
>>>>
>>>> Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?
>>>>
>>> is there a natural.tcx file on your system? and is loading it
>>> reported?
>>>
>>> in the worst case you can say:
>>>
>>> ctxtools --pat
>>>
>>> and move the generated pattern files to tex/context/patterns
>>>
>>> Hans
>>
> Hansÿÿ
>
> When I tried
> 	ctxtools --pat
> the response was
> -bash: ctxtools: command not found

ctxtools is not in the path. Try
texmfstart ctxtools --pat


Aditya

Re: format generation -- again!

[Alan Bowen]

On Jun 2, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using the latest version of Gerbenÿÿs i-Installer (expert
>>>>>>> mode), I
>>>>>>> completely erased teTeX,
>>>>>>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the
>>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>> ConTeXt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>>>>>>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> produces
>>>>>>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>>>>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-
>>>>>>> agr.tex)
>>>>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>>>>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation
>>>>>>> patterns
>>>>>>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the
>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> lang-agr.hyp and
>>>>>>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>>>>>>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ 
>>>>>>> ruby/
>>>>>>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I get the error message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>>>>>>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-
>>>>>>> agr.pat
>>>>>>> ! Nonletter.
>>>>>>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>>>>> \or
>>>>>>>      \or
>>>>>>> \or     \or
>>>>>>>                                                    \or \or  
>>>>>>> \or \or
>>>>>>> \or \...
>>>>>>> l.37 ÿÿ2ÿÿ
>>>>>>>            1
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot  
>>>>>>> reproduce
>>>>>>> the problem at his end.
>>>>>>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully
>>>>>>> received.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X
>>>>>>> 10.4.6 on
>>>>>>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or
>>>>>> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in
>>>>>> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Hans. I tried
>>>>> 	texexec --make --all
>>>>> but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
>>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang-
>>>>> agr.pat
>>>>> 	! Nonletter.
>>>>> 	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>>> 	\or
>>>>> 	    \or
>>>>> 	\or     \or
>>>>> 	                                                  \or \or \or \or
>>>>> \or \...
>>>>> 	l.37 ÿÿ2ÿÿ
>>>>> 	          1
>>>>> 	?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?
>>>>>
>>>> is there a natural.tcx file on your system? and is loading it
>>>> reported?
>>>>
>>>> in the worst case you can say:
>>>>
>>>> ctxtools --pat
>>>>
>>>> and move the generated pattern files to tex/context/patterns
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>
>> Hansÿÿ
>>
>> When I tried
>> 	ctxtools --pat
>> the response was
>> -bash: ctxtools: command not found
>
> ctxtools is not in the path. Try
> texmfstart ctxtools --pat
>
>
> Aditya

Thanks, Aditya. That got it to work.

Alan

Re: format generation -- again!

[Alan Bowen]

On Jun 1, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Using the latest version of Gerben’s i-Installer (expert mode), I
>>>> completely erased teTeX,
>>>> re-installed the 2005 x86pc version, and then re-installed the  
>>>> latest
>>>> ConTeXt.
>>>>
>>>> cd /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/
>>>> grep agr cont-en.log
>>>>
>>>> produces
>>>> 	encoding        : coding agr is loaded
>>>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/enco-agr.tex)
>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>> 	language        : patterns for agr not loaded
>>>> and no more, which means that the ancient Greek hyphenation  
>>>> patterns
>>>> are not available, though they presumably should be since the files
>>>> lang-agr.hyp and
>>>> lang-agr.pat are in the right place,
>>>> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/.
>>>>
>>>> When I try to regenerate the formats using
>>>>
>>>> sudo ruby /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/scripts/context/ruby/
>>>> texmfstart.rb texexec --make --all
>>>>
>>>> I get the error message
>>>>
>>>> language        : patterns agr for agr loaded (n=24,e=agr,m=agr)
>>>> (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang- 
>>>> agr.pat
>>>> ! Nonletter.
>>>> \rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>>>> \or
>>>>      \or
>>>> \or     \or
>>>>                                                    \or \or \or \or
>>>> \or \...
>>>> l.37 α2Ϊ
>>>>            1
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> So no Greek hyphenation. I am baffled. And Thomas cannot reproduce
>>>> the problem at his end.
>>>> So, if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, if it is at all relevant, I am running Mac OS X  
>>>> 10.4.6 on
>>>> a Power Mac G4 450 MHz.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>> it looks like tetex does not use the -8bit switch (to pdfetex) or
>>> loads the natural tcx file; (you may try texexec --make instead)
>>>
>>> [patterns are now in utf-8 so this is why it show up now, but in
>>> fact your installation has never been 8 bit clean upto now]
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Hans. I tried
>> 	texexec --make --all
>> but the regeneration fails as before, with the lines
>> 	(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns/lang- 
>> agr.pat
>> 	! Nonletter.
>> 	\rawcharacter ...r\or   \or
>> 	\or
>> 	    \or
>> 	\or     \or
>> 	                                                  \or \or \or \or
>> \or \...
>> 	l.37 α2Ϊ
>> 	          1
>> 	?
>>
>> Does the MacTeX distribution have the same problem?
>>
> is there a natural.tcx file on your system? and is loading it  
> reported?
>
> in the worst case you can say:
>
> ctxtools --pat
>
> and move the generated pattern files to tex/context/patterns
>
> Hans

Hans, Thomas, and Aditya—

Success!

I ran ctxtools --pat and moved the generated files to
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/patterns

I then ran  texexec --make --all  and then copied the new cont-en.fmt  
file from
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c/pdfetex
to
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/web2c

I now have hyphenation for ancient Greek! Life is good again. Many  
thanks to you both.

Alan
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