Re: texshow

Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

On 4 Dec 2009 at 12:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:

Von:            	ntg-context-request@ntg.nl
Betreff:        	ntg-context Digest, Vol 66, Issue 19
An:             	ntg-context@ntg.nl
Antwort an:     	ntg-context@ntg.nl
Datum:   	Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:00:03 +0100

> >>> I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
> >>> Is the file excluded in actual minimals?
> >> 
> >> mtxrun --script server --auto
> > 
> > I tried to use this command under windows 2000 scite (console).
> > The process does not do anything obvious. I have killed it after
> some 
> > time.
> 
> There should be a line like
> 
> MTXrun | context services:
> http://localhost:31415/mtx-server-ctx-startup.lua

There is no output at all.

> in the terminal, you can copy the link and use it in your browser to
> run texshow.

This works. 
But this is blocking the scite-console, which I need for a couple of 
other things.

Can I  P L E A S E  have my good old texshow.pl back?

Wolfgang
> 

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Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.12.2009 um 16:57 schrieb Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini:

> Can I  P L E A S E  have my good old texshow.pl back?

Not texshow but at least a overview over all documented commands:
http://pragma-ade.com/download-5.htm

Wolfgang

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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Michael Green]

On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 AM, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:

>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:23:13 +0100
> From: Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bibliography authoryears problem
> Message-ID: <4B18C6F1.5090803@elvenkind.com>
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> Michael Green wrote:
>> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
>> formatted incorrectly.
>>
>> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of  
>> the
>> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
>
> Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
> \usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
> contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.
>
> A workaround is to add
>
>   \usepublications[\jobname]
>
> in the document preamble.
>
> It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
> \starttext.
>
> For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
> is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
> odd logic from mkii in mkiv.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>

That solves both the problems I noted. Thanks!

mjg
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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Michael Green wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 AM, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
> 
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:23:13 +0100
>> From: Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>
>> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bibliography authoryears problem
>> Message-ID: <4B18C6F1.5090803@elvenkind.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Michael Green wrote:
>>> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
>>> formatted incorrectly.
>>>
>>> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the
>>> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
>>
>> Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
>> \usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
>> contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.
>>
>> A workaround is to add
>>
>>   \usepublications[\jobname]
>>
>> in the document preamble.
>>
>> It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
>> \starttext.
>>
>> For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
>> is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
>> odd logic from mkii in mkiv.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Taco
>>
> 
> That solves both the problems I noted. Thanks!

\unprotect

\def\dousepublications#1%
   {\doonlyonce{#1.\f!bibextension}
      {\let\@@savedpar\par
       \let\par\ignorespaces
       \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi
       \readfile{#1.\f!bibextension}
         {\showmessage\m!publications{4}{#1.\f!bibextension}}
         {\showmessage\m!publications{2}{#1.\f!bibextension}}%
       \ifhmode\removeunwantedspaces\fi
       \let\par\@@savedpar}}

\protect

should also work ... the reason for the automatic loading is that it 
circumvents problems with projects, products, components etc where 
settings can come after teh first starttext so that's not the best hook 
then

of course implicit loading as suggested by taco is the best


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.12.2009 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> \def\dousepublications#1%
>  {\doonlyonce{#1.\f!bibextension}
>     {\let\@@savedpar\par
>      \let\par\ignorespaces
>      \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi
>      \readfile{#1.\f!bibextension}
>        {\showmessage\m!publications{4}{#1.\f!bibextension}}
>        {\showmessage\m!publications{2}{#1.\f!bibextension}}%
>      \ifhmode\removeunwantedspaces\fi
>      \let\par\@@savedpar}}

why not \let\par\normalpar

Wolfgang


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 04.12.2009 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
>> \def\dousepublications#1%
>>  {\doonlyonce{#1.\f!bibextension}
>>     {\let\@@savedpar\par
>>      \let\par\ignorespaces
>>      \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi
>>      \readfile{#1.\f!bibextension}
>>        {\showmessage\m!publications{4}{#1.\f!bibextension}}
>>        {\showmessage\m!publications{2}{#1.\f!bibextension}}%
>>      \ifhmode\removeunwantedspaces\fi
>>      \let\par\@@savedpar}}
> 
> why not \let\par\normalpar

actually i had that but then i was not sure if par might have been 
redefined as a \cite command can occure anywhere; it's also why we 
cannot use grouping ... or use

\startnointerference
\globaldefs\plusone
...
\stopnointerference

actually, it's not the \startpublication that is the problem as we can 
add \ignorespaces at the end, or use tricks that need grouping as they 
are defined global anyway, but it's the \setuppublciations in the bbl 
file that interferes

Hans

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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Michael Green]

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I should have mentioned that there's a similar problem with  
refcommand=authoryear (my previous post concerned  
refcommand=authoryears).

Using Mk IV, the first citation is preceded with a new line. Mk II  
behaves appropriately. And all citations other than the first one are  
formatted correctly by Mk IV.

This is quite similar to the problem I reported with  
refcommand=authoryears. In both cases, only the first citation is  
wrong and the error in both cases involves a line break. Perhaps they  
have a related cause. Happy hunting!

mjg

Samples are attached.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.46.0-2009112820
  \write18 enabled.
(bib-test-2.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2009.12.01 17:09 MKIV  fmt: 2009.12.1  int: english/ 
english


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[-- Attachment #3: bib-test-2.tex --]
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\usemodule[bib]
\setuppublications[state=start,criterium=cite,refcommand=authoryear,sorttype=bbl]
\setupbibtex[sort=author,database=test-bib]
\setuppublicationlist[maybeyear=on,artauthor=\invertedauthor,author=\invertedauthor]


\starttext

“unlike other businesses, drug companies are dependent on the public for a host of special favors — including the rights to NIH-funded research, long periods of market monopoly, and multiple tax breaks that almost gurantee a profit.” \cite[Angell:2004vh]

“The US government currently accounts for almost half of all spending on health care in this nation. The regulatory role of the government is pervasive.” \cite[extras={, p. 572}][Gruber:2008kx]

“The US is unique because it alone is the source of half of world-wide profits that provide the payoff for the complex, lengthy, and expensive process of developing new treatments.” \cite[Calfee:2009ys]


\stoptext

[-- Attachment #4: test-bib.bib --]
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%% This BibTeX bibliography file was created using BibDesk.
@article{Angell:2004vh,
	Author = {Marcia Angell},
	Journal = {New York Review of Books},
	Month = {July 15},
	Title = {The Truth About the Drug Companies},
	Year = {2004},
}

@article{Gruber:2008kx,
	Author = {Gruber, Jonathan},
	Journal = {Journal of Economic Literature},
	Number = {3},
	Pages = {571–606},
	Title = {Covering the Uninsured in the {U}nited {S}tates},
	Volume = {46},
	Year = {2008},
}

@article{Calfee:2009ys,
	Author = {Calfee, John E.},
	Journal = {Wall Street Journal},
	Month = {June 26},
	Title = {The Dangers of {F}annie {M}ae Health Care},
	Year = {2009},
}

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bibliography authoryears problem

[Michael Green]

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When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is  
formatted incorrectly.

There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the  
reference followed by the right parenthesis.

With MkII it comes out correctly. And in MkIV, every reference except  
the first is correct.

This is similar to a problem reported in another thread, but I don't  
see how the resolution proposed there applies here.

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091116.073439.c2549ecb.en.html

It isn't a crucial thing for me. I can use MkII when I need to use  
this citation style. I'm just submitting this as a possible bug report.


This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.46.0-2009112820
  \write18 enabled.
(bib-test.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2009.12.01 17:09 MKIV  fmt: 2009.12.1  int: english/ 
english

I'm attaching three files: the source, the bibliography, and the pdf  
output that I get.


[-- Attachment #2: bib-test.tex --]
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\usemodule[bib]
\setuppublications[state=start,criterium=cite,refcommand=authoryears,sorttype=bbl]
\setupbibtex[sort=author,database=test-bib]
\setuppublicationlist[maybeyear=on,artauthor=\invertedauthor,author=\invertedauthor]


\starttext

“unlike other businesses, drug companies are dependent on the public for a host of special favors — including the rights to NIH-funded research, long periods of market monopoly, and multiple tax breaks that almost gurantee a profit.” \cite[Angell:2004vh]

“The US government currently accounts for almost half of all spending on health care in this nation. The regulatory role of the government is pervasive.” \cite[extras={, p. 572}][Gruber:2008kx]

“The US is unique because it alone is the source of half of world-wide profits that provide the payoff for the complex, lengthy, and expensive process of developing new treatments.” \cite[Calfee:2009ys]


\stoptext

[-- Attachment #3: test-bib.bib --]
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%% This BibTeX bibliography file was created using BibDesk.
@article{Angell:2004vh,
	Author = {Marcia Angell},
	Journal = {New York Review of Books},
	Month = {July 15},
	Title = {The Truth About the Drug Companies},
	Year = {2004},
}

@article{Gruber:2008kx,
	Author = {Gruber, Jonathan},
	Journal = {Journal of Economic Literature},
	Number = {3},
	Pages = {571–606},
	Title = {Covering the Uninsured in the {U}nited {S}tates},
	Volume = {46},
	Year = {2008},
}

@article{Calfee:2009ys,
	Author = {Calfee, John E.},
	Journal = {Wall Street Journal},
	Month = {June 26},
	Title = {The Dangers of {F}annie {M}ae Health Care},
	Year = {2009},
}

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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Bernhard Rosensteiner]

Hello,

see http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091115.194137.4395932d.en.html

best regards

Am 03.12.2009 um 01:26 schrieb Michael Green:

> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is formatted incorrectly.
> 
> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the reference followed by the right parenthesis.
> 
> With MkII it comes out correctly. And in MkIV, every reference except the first is correct.
> 
> This is similar to a problem reported in another thread, but I don't see how the resolution proposed there applies here.
> 
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091116.073439.c2549ecb.en.html
> 
> It isn't a crucial thing for me. I can use MkII when I need to use this citation style. I'm just submitting this as a possible bug report.
> 
> 
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.46.0-2009112820
> \write18 enabled.
> (bib-test.tex
> 
> ConTeXt  ver: 2009.12.01 17:09 MKIV  fmt: 2009.12.1  int: english/english
> 
> I'm attaching three files: the source, the bibliography, and the pdf output that I get.
> 
> <bib-test.tex><test-bib.bib>
> <bib-test.pdf>
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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Bernhard Rosensteiner wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> see http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091115.194137.4395932d.en.html

seen but i wait till Thomas or Taco (the bibliography experts) comments 
on it

Hans


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Taco Hoekwater]

Michael Green wrote:
> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is 
> formatted incorrectly.
> 
> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the 
> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
> 
> With MkII it comes out correctly. And in MkIV, every reference except 
> the first is correct.
> 
> This is similar to a problem reported in another thread, but I don't see 
> how the resolution proposed there applies here.
> 
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091116.073439.c2549ecb.en.html

I'll check this tomorrow (my luatex is a bit unstable at the moment,
have to fix that first).

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Michael Green wrote:
> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
> formatted incorrectly.
> 
> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the
> reference followed by the right parenthesis.

Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
\usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.

A workaround is to add

   \usepublications[\jobname]

in the document preamble.

It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
\starttext.

For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
odd logic from mkii in mkiv.

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.12.2009 um 09:23 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Michael Green wrote:
>> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
>> formatted incorrectly.
>> 
>> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the
>> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
> 
> Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
> \usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
> contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.
> 
> A workaround is to add
> 
>   \usepublications[\jobname]
> 
> in the document preamble.
> 
> It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
> \starttext.
> 
> For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
> is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
> odd logic from mkii in mkiv.

How about this:

\def\preloadbiblist
  {\globallet\preloadbiblist\relax
   \pushendofline
   \dousepublications\jobname
   \popendofline}

Wolfgang

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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 04.12.2009 um 09:23 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
>> Michael Green wrote:
>>> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
>>> formatted incorrectly.
>>>
>>> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the
>>> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
>> Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
>> \usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
>> contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.
>>
>> A workaround is to add
>>
>>   \usepublications[\jobname]
>>
>> in the document preamble.
>>
>> It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
>> \starttext.
>>
>> For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
>> is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
>> odd logic from mkii in mkiv.
> 
> How about this:
> 
> \def\preloadbiblist
>   {\globallet\preloadbiblist\relax
>    \pushendofline
>    \dousepublications\jobname
>    \popendofline}

that's also a nice solution (i didn't know it was till in mkiv -)

Hans

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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> How about this:
> 
> \def\preloadbiblist
>   {\globallet\preloadbiblist\relax
>    \pushendofline
>    \dousepublications\jobname
>    \popendofline}

btw, i played with endlinechar a bit but rejected it because i was not 
sure about bibtex .. take

	Author = {Calfee oeps oeps oeps
     oeps, John E.},

this becomes

a={{Calfee oeps oeps~oeps oeps}},y=2009,

and a solution for the spaces creeping in needs to preserve them someho 
win entries

can we be sure that the values end up on one line?

btw, the injected ~ is kind of funny and probably some hard coded 
assumption in bibtex itself (about oeps begins a title or letter as well 
as ~ having some special meaning); maybe this fuzzyness is why bibtex is 
still version 0.99 (in spite of several announcements at conferences of 
a 1.00 release)

Hans




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