* \| should give two || and not one @ 2013-02-15 10:14 Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-15 12:42 ` Wim W. Wilhelm 2013-02-15 16:19 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear list, \starttext $\|v\|$ \stoptext I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. Tested with the latest beta. /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 10:14 \| should give two || and not one Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 12:42 ` Wim W. Wilhelm 2013-02-15 12:55 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-15 16:19 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Wim W. Wilhelm @ 2013-02-15 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users use $\Vert v \Vert$ Wim W. Wilhelm > Dear list, > > \starttext > $\|v\|$ > \stoptext > > I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. > > Tested with the latest beta. > > /Mikael > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 12:42 ` Wim W. Wilhelm @ 2013-02-15 12:55 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-15 15:26 ` Wim W. Wilhelm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Wim W. Wilhelm <ww.wilhelm@kpnmail.nl> wrote: > use $\Vert v \Vert$ > > Wim W. Wilhelm > >> Dear list, >> >> \starttext >> $\|v\|$ >> \stoptext >> >> I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. >> >> Tested with the latest beta. >> >> /Mikael >> Thank you for your reply, Wim. I guess most/some people writing mathematics are used to write \| to get double bars from LaTeX, and if I remember correctly it was also like this in ConTeXt some time ago. If this is changed on purpose I can very well use \Vert instead. /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 12:55 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 15:26 ` Wim W. Wilhelm 2013-02-15 15:37 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Wim W. Wilhelm @ 2013-02-15 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear Mikael, It is TEX. Wim W. Wilhelm > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Wim W. Wilhelm <ww.wilhelm@kpnmail.nl> > wrote: >> use $\Vert v \Vert$ >> >> Wim W. Wilhelm >> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> \starttext >>> $\|v\|$ >>> \stoptext >>> >>> I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. >>> >>> Tested with the latest beta. >>> >>> /Mikael >>> > > Thank you for your reply, Wim. I guess most/some people writing > mathematics are used to write \| to get double bars from LaTeX, and if > I remember correctly it was also like this in ConTeXt some time ago. > > If this is changed on purpose I can very well use \Vert instead. > > /Mikael > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 15:26 ` Wim W. Wilhelm @ 2013-02-15 15:37 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-15 15:47 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Wim W. Wilhelm <ww.wilhelm@kpnmail.nl> wrote: > Dear Mikael, > > It is TEX. > > Wim W. Wilhelm > > >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Wim W. Wilhelm <ww.wilhelm@kpnmail.nl> >> wrote: >>> >>> use $\Vert v \Vert$ >>> >>> Wim W. Wilhelm >>> >>>> Dear list, >>>> >>>> \starttext >>>> $\|v\|$ >>>> \stoptext >>>> >>>> I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. >>>> >>>> Tested with the latest beta. >>>> >>>> /Mikael >>>> >> >> Thank you for your reply, Wim. I guess most/some people writing >> mathematics are used to write \| to get double bars from LaTeX, and if >> I remember correctly it was also like this in ConTeXt some time ago. >> >> If this is changed on purpose I can very well use \Vert instead. >> >> /Mikael >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Dear Wim, oh, sorry. I did not know that TeX set \| to \vert and not \Vert. Then probably my memory fails me that \| gave \Vert in earlier versions of ConTeXt aswell. I'll have to get used to \Vert, I guess. /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 15:37 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 15:47 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-15 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Wim W. Wilhelm <ww.wilhelm@kpnmail.nl> wrote: >> Dear Mikael, >> >> It is TEX. >> >> Wim W. Wilhelm >> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Wim W. Wilhelm <ww.wilhelm@kpnmail.nl> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> use $\Vert v \Vert$ >>>> >>>> Wim W. Wilhelm >>>> >>>>> Dear list, >>>>> >>>>> \starttext >>>>> $\|v\|$ >>>>> \stoptext >>>>> >>>>> I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. >>>>> >>>>> Tested with the latest beta. >>>>> >>>>> /Mikael >>>>> >>> >>> Thank you for your reply, Wim. I guess most/some people writing >>> mathematics are used to write \| to get double bars from LaTeX, and if >>> I remember correctly it was also like this in ConTeXt some time ago. >>> >>> If this is changed on purpose I can very well use \Vert instead. >>> >>> /Mikael >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >>> the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >>> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > Dear Wim, > > oh, sorry. I did not know that TeX set \| to \vert and not \Vert. Then > probably my memory fails me that \| gave \Vert in earlier versions of > ConTeXt aswell. I'll have to get used to \Vert, I guess. > > /Mikael Dear Wim, funny thing is that now that I had a look in my copy of the TeXBook I see \let\|=\Vert on page 361. /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 10:14 \| should give two || and not one Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-15 12:42 ` Wim W. Wilhelm @ 2013-02-15 16:19 ` luigi scarso 2013-02-18 9:23 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2013-02-15 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear list, > > \starttext > $\|v\|$ > \stoptext > > I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. > > Tested with the latest beta. > For what I see \starttext $\|v\|$ $\Vert v\Vert$ $\vert v\vert$ $‖v‖$ \stoptext |𝑣| ‖𝑣‖ |𝑣| ‖𝑣‖ -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-15 16:19 ` luigi scarso @ 2013-02-18 9:23 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-18 9:42 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-18 9:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Indeed, luigi, but is that what you expect? /Mikael On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:19 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear list, >> >> \starttext >> $\|v\|$ >> \stoptext >> >> I expect two vertical bars on each side of v, but see only one. >> >> Tested with the latest beta. >> > For what I see > > \starttext > $\|v\|$ > > $\Vert v\Vert$ > > $\vert v\vert$ > > $‖v‖$ > > \stoptext > > |𝑣| > ‖𝑣‖ > |𝑣| > ‖𝑣‖ > > > -- > luigi > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-18 9:23 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-18 9:42 ` luigi scarso 2013-02-18 9:51 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2013-02-18 9:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: > Indeed, luigi, but is that what you expect? Hm, hard to say for me. I find natural to use \vert and \Vert or, if possible, | and ‖ . LaTeXt users find natural that \| is ‖, but I don't see, as a ConTeXt user, a particular meaning in \| . -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-18 9:42 ` luigi scarso @ 2013-02-18 9:51 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-19 7:36 ` Keith J. Schultz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-18 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: >> Indeed, luigi, but is that what you expect? > Hm, hard to say for me. > I find natural to use \vert and \Vert or, if possible, | and || . > LaTeXt users find natural that \| is ||, but I don't see, as a ConTeXt > user, a particular meaning in \| . > I think that since \| is defined as \Vert in the TeXbook and everyone writing mathematics in LaTeX are used to \| to mean \Vert there is no reason to have different behaviour in ConTeXt. /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-18 9:51 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-19 7:36 ` Keith J. Schultz 2013-02-19 9:29 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Keith J. Schultz @ 2013-02-19 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi All, In a way, it is correct that for compatibility reasons and and convert it is good to keep the old syntax. Yet, ConTeXt is suppose to be more natural. Personally, I find some of the names used in TeX and LaTeX often hard to find. Whenever, I needed a function or symbol I to often go look it up. I mean that \vert and \Vert are still cryptic. They can stand for abs, for all in, etc. .. Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, regards Keith. Am 18.02.2013 um 10:51 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Indeed, luigi, but is that what you expect? >> Hm, hard to say for me. >> I find natural to use \vert and \Vert or, if possible, | and || . >> LaTeXt users find natural that \| is ||, but I don't see, as a ConTeXt >> user, a particular meaning in \| . >> > > I think that since \| is defined as \Vert in the TeXbook and everyone > writing mathematics in LaTeX are used to \| to mean \Vert there is no > reason to have different behaviour in ConTeXt. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-19 7:36 ` Keith J. Schultz @ 2013-02-19 9:29 ` Hans Hagen 2013-02-19 9:50 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-19 12:09 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-02-19 9:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Hi All, > > In a way, it is correct that for compatibility reasons and and convert > it is good to keep the old syntax. > > Yet, ConTeXt is suppose to be more natural. I consider the \{ \} \| etc to be escapes for tex characters. In fact, if one wants || in math then it's more natural to support || directly. > Personally, I find some of the names used in TeX and LaTeX often > hard to find. Whenever, I needed a function or symbol I to often > go look it up. I mean that \vert and \Vert are still cryptic. They can stand > for abs, for all in, etc. .. a next step (already partially done) is that we organize the names in dictionaries as in open math (a bit of work) > Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, me too and i wonder if we should have proper names as well i.e. use verbose names as default (in char-def.lua) and define the short ones as synonyms (in a tex file) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-19 9:29 ` Hans Hagen @ 2013-02-19 9:50 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-19 10:56 ` Keith J. Schultz 2013-02-19 11:06 ` luigi scarso 2013-02-19 12:09 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-19 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> In a way, it is correct that for compatibility reasons and and convert >> it is good to keep the old syntax. >> >> Yet, ConTeXt is suppose to be more natural. > > > I consider the \{ \} \| etc to be escapes for tex characters. In fact, if > one wants || in math then it's more natural to support || directly. > > >> Personally, I find some of the names used in TeX and LaTeX often >> hard to find. Whenever, I needed a function or symbol I to often >> go look it up. I mean that \vert and \Vert are still cryptic. They can >> stand >> for abs, for all in, etc. .. > > > a next step (already partially done) is that we organize the names in > dictionaries as in open math (a bit of work) > > >> Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, > > > me too and i wonder if we should have proper names as well i.e. use verbose > names as default (in char-def.lua) and define the short ones as synonyms (in > a tex file) > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Fine. In principal I've nothing against typing || for double bars (even though people moving from TeX/LaTeX probably will be used to | for one bar and \| for two bars). Some questions: * Can one expect to get the right (that is the same as \Vert gives) spacing by typing || (two bars) in ConTeXt in the future? * Sometimes one would like to write absoulte value of z times absolute value of w, i.e. |z| times |w|. What if one writes |z||w|, will the double bar in the middle be equivalent to \Vert? (That is not wanted) * Will it be possible to write \Bigl|| and \Bigr|| to scale both bars to other sizes? * What if one would like to have three bars with the same spacing between the bars as in \Vert? /Mikael ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-19 9:50 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-19 10:56 ` Keith J. Schultz 2013-02-19 11:06 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Keith J. Schultz @ 2013-02-19 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Mikeal, Am 19.02.2013 um 10:50 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >> [snip, snip] >> a next step (already partially done) is that we organize the names in >> dictionaries as in open math (a bit of work) >> >> >>> Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, >> >> >> me too and i wonder if we should have proper names as well i.e. use verbose >> names as default (in char-def.lua) and define the short ones as synonyms (in >> a tex file) >> >> Hans > [snip, snip] > Fine. In principal I've nothing against typing || for double bars > (even though people moving from TeX/LaTeX probably will be used to | > for one bar and \| for two bars). Some questions: > > * Can one expect to get the right (that is the same as \Vert gives) > spacing by typing || (two bars) in ConTeXt in the future? I think we need to find a between input shortcuts and feasiblity. One could just use unicode 02016 and \Vert. In unicodemath you also have \Vvert for three bars. > * Sometimes one would like to write absoulte value of z times absolute > value of w, i.e. |z| times |w|. What if one writes |z||w|, will the > double bar in the middle be equivalent to \Vert? (That is not wanted) The proper way to lay this out is with a little whitspace between the to values, so input should be |z| |w| and not as |z||w| ! > * Will it be possible to write \Bigl|| and \Bigr|| to scale both bars > to other sizes? > * What if one would like to have three bars with the same spacing > between the bars as in \Vert? See above! regards Keith. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-19 9:50 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist 2013-02-19 10:56 ` Keith J. Schultz @ 2013-02-19 11:06 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2013-02-19 11:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >> On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Fine. In principal I've nothing against typing || for double bars > (even though people moving from TeX/LaTeX probably will be used to | > for one bar and \| for two bars). Some questions: hm I mean a single ‖ (unicode 2012, DOUBLE VERTICAL LINE) , not two ||, i.e. a single unicode 0007C VERTICAL LINE inserted two times. -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-19 9:29 ` Hans Hagen 2013-02-19 9:50 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2013-02-19 12:09 ` Mojca Miklavec 2013-02-19 14:00 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2013-02-19 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> In a way, it is correct that for compatibility reasons and and convert >> it is good to keep the old syntax. >> >> Yet, ConTeXt is suppose to be more natural. > > I consider the \{ \} \| etc to be escapes for tex characters. In fact, if > one wants || in math then it's more natural to support || directly. Except that braces actually need an escape, while bars don't. I don't see any advantage of "\|" representing a single vertical bar, it only breaks compatibility and helps confuse those who used "\|" in other flavours of TeX. There is a nice thread on SX: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/498/mid-vert-lvert-rvert As others have already written, one should use the appropriate unicode character, not two bars. (Two bars are a separate symbol - I guess that you probably don't want to recognise two subsequent bars are replace them with a different glyph?) And even then there is a problem with typographical conventions: whether the symbol is used as left/right delimiter, as a binary operator, ... Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: \| should give two || and not one 2013-02-19 12:09 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2013-02-19 14:00 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-02-19 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec On 2/19/2013 1:09 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > that you probably don't want to recognise two subsequent bars are > replace them with a different glyph?) And even then there is a problem then you don't want to know what we i do with primes already Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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