* Bibliographies in Mark IV
@ 2010-10-20 12:11 Charles Doherty
2010-10-21 5:52 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Charles Doherty @ 2010-10-20 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear all,
The file below produces a bibliography using Mark II but only a title when using Mark IV. Have things changed or do I need a new approach? I am using Minimals.
Thanks,
Charlie
\usemodule[bib]
\setuppublications[criterium=all,numbering=no]
\setupbibtex[database={Kings},sort=author]
\starttext
\midaligned{\tfa Kingship References}
\blank[2*big]
\placepublications
\stoptext
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-20 12:11 Bibliographies in Mark IV Charles Doherty
@ 2010-10-21 5:52 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-10-22 9:15 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-10-21 5:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Charles Doherty wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> The file below produces a bibliography using Mark II but only a title when using Mark IV. Have things changed or do I need a new approach? I am using Minimals.
>
> Thanks,
> Charlie
>
> \usemodule[bib]
> \setuppublications[criterium=all,numbering=no]
>
> \setupbibtex[database={Kings},sort=author]
>
> \starttext
>
> \midaligned{\tfa Kingship References}
>
> \blank[2*big]
>
> \placepublications
>
> \stoptext
Indeed. Even though this is a bad example (next time, please send a complete working example, not code snippets - I don't have a database Kings.bib here), it shows a bug in mkiv. I tried the usual things - add a section command, add [criterium=all] to \placepublications, but this didn't help.
Thomas
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-21 5:52 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2010-10-22 9:15 ` Hans Hagen
2010-10-22 9:38 ` Charles Doherty
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-10-22 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 21-10-2010 7:52, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Indeed. Even though this is a bad example (next time, please send a complete working example, not code snippets - I don't have a database Kings.bib here), it shows a bug in mkiv. I tried the usual things - add a section command, add [criterium=all] to \placepublications, but this didn't help.
So I'll wait till I get a proper test -)
Hans
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 9:15 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-10-22 9:38 ` Charles Doherty
2010-10-22 10:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Charles Doherty @ 2010-10-22 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear Thomas and Hans,
Thanks for looking at this and apologies for not sending the bib file. I attach a .tex file and a .bib file for Hans to test. I make my .bib file in BibDesk on the Mac (the preview style is abbrev). BibDesk uses LaTeX to produce the preview and that looks perfect.
When I run the KingsTest.tex in ConTeXt Minimals Mark II I get proper output (I have two extra periods but that is probably my fault). When I run the same file using Mark IV I get the title only in the output.
Thanks for looking into this.
Charlie
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%% http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/
%% Created for Charles Doherty at 2010-10-22 10:34:00 +0100
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@article{Bhreathnach-goddess,
Author = {M. Bhreathnach},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:13:44 +0100},
Journal = {Zeitschrift f{\"u}r celtische Philologie},
Keywords = {Bhreathnach, goddess, kingship},
Pages = {243--60},
Title = {The sovereignty goddess as goddess of death?},
Volume = {39},
Year = {1982}}
@book{Binchy-kingship,
Address = {Oxford},
Author = {D. A. Binchy},
Booktitle = {Celtic and Anglo-Saxon Kingship},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Keywords = {Binchy, Celtic, kingship, Anglo-Saxon},
Publisher = {Oxford University Press},
Title = {Celtic and Anglo-Saxon Kingship},
Year = {1970}}
@article{Breatnach-Ardri,
Author = {L. Breatnach},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:14:12 +0100},
Journal = {{\'E}riu},
Keywords = {Breatnach, ardr{\'\i}, Tara, high-kingship, kingship},
Pages = {192--3},
Title = {Varia {VI}: 3. {{\em Ardr{\'\i}}} as an old compound},
Volume = {37},
Year = {1986}}
@article{Dillon-consecration,
Author = {M. Dillon},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:14:25 +0100},
Journal = {Celtica},
Keywords = {Dillon, consecration, inauguration, kingship},
Pages = {1--8},
Title = {The consecration of {I}rish kings},
Volume = {10},
Year = {1973}}
@incollection{DillonInauguration,
Author = {Dillon, M.},
Booktitle = {Medieval studies presented to Aubrey Gwynn},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:14:47 +0100},
Editor = {J. A. Watt and J. B. Morrall and F. X. Martin},
Keywords = {Dillon, inauguration, kingship, O'Connor, Carn Free},
Pages = {186--202},
Title = {The inauguration of {O'C}onnor},
Year = {1961}}
@article{OBroin-key,
Author = {T. {{\'O} Broin}},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:15:03 +0100},
Journal = {Celtica},
Keywords = {{\'O} Broin, Lia F{\'a}il, stone of destiny, Tara, Temair},
Pages = {393--401},
Title = {{{\em Lia F{\'a}il}}: fact and fiction in the tradition},
Volume = {21},
Year = {1990}}
@article{ORiain-Lug,
Author = {P. {{\'O} Riain}},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:15:19 +0100},
Journal = {Zeitschrift f{\"u}r celtische Philologie},
Keywords = {{\'O} Riain, Lug, hagiography, mythology},
Pages = {138--56},
Title = {Traces of {L}ug in early {I}rish hagiographical tradition},
Volume = {36},
Year = {1978}}
@article{Olmsted-hilltop,
Author = {G. S. Olmsted},
Booktitle = {A contemporary view on {I}rish `hill-top enclosures'},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:16:03 +0100},
Journal = {{\'E}tudes Celtiques},
Keywords = {Olmsted, hill-top, enclosures, high-kingship, temples, sanctuary},
Pages = {171--85},
Title = {A contemporary view on {I}rish `hill-top enclosures'},
Volume = {16},
Year = {1979}}
@incollection{Sims-WilliamsTerms,
Address = {Van Nuys},
Author = {P. Sims-Williams},
Booktitle = {Celtic language, Celtic culture: a festschrift for Eric P. Hamp},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:16:22 +0100},
Editor = {A. Matonis and D. Melia},
Keywords = {Sims-Williams, Celtic religion, otherworld},
Pages = {57--81},
Title = {Some {C}eltic otherworld terms},
Year = {1990}}
@article{SwiftLegalCentres,
Author = {C. Swift},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:16:30 +0100},
Journal = {R{\'\i}ocht na Midhe},
Keywords = {Swift, monuments, Meath, legal centres},
Number = {2},
Pages = {1--21},
Title = {Pagan monuments and {C}hristian legal centres in early {M}eath},
Volume = {9},
Year = {1996}}
@incollection{SwiftTailten,
Address = {Dublin},
Author = {C. Swift},
Booktitle = {Seanchas: studies in early and medieval Irish archaeology, history and literature in honour of Francis J. Byrne},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:16:46 +0100},
Editor = {A. P. Smyth},
Keywords = {Swift, oenach, Tailtiu, Tailten, U{\'\i} N{\'e}ill, Tara},
Pages = {109--20},
Publisher = {Four Courts Press},
Title = {{\'O}enach {T}ailten, the {B}lackwater {V}alley and the {U}{\'\i} {N}{\'e}ill kings of {T}ara},
Year = {2000}}
@article{SwiftOenachTailten,
Author = {Swift, C.},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:17:19 +0100},
Journal = {R{\'\i}ocht na Midhe},
Keywords = {Swift, Tailten, Tailtiu, {\'o}enach},
Pages = {24--50},
Title = {The local context of \em {{\'O}}enach {T}ailten\rm},
Volume = {11},
Year = {2000}}
@article{WailesRoyalSites,
Author = {B. Wailes},
Date-Added = {2010-10-21 17:01:09 +0100},
Date-Modified = {2010-10-22 10:17:44 +0100},
Journal = {Cambridge Medieval Celtic Studies},
Keywords = {Wailes, royal sites, D{\'u}n Ailinne, Tara, Emain Macha, Cruachu},
Pages = {1--29},
Title = {The {I}rish `royal sites' in history and archaeology},
Volume = {3},
Year = {1982}}
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On 22 Oct 2010, at 10:15, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 21-10-2010 7:52, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Indeed. Even though this is a bad example (next time, please send a complete working example, not code snippets - I don't have a database Kings.bib here), it shows a bug in mkiv. I tried the usual things - add a section command, add [criterium=all] to \placepublications, but this didn't help.
>
> So I'll wait till I get a proper test -)
>
> Hans
>
>
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 9:38 ` Charles Doherty
@ 2010-10-22 10:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-10-22 13:51 ` Hans Hagen
2010-10-22 10:44 ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-10-22 14:47 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-10-22 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Charles Doherty wrote:
> Dear Thomas and Hans,
>
> Thanks for looking at this and apologies for not sending the bib file. I attach a .tex file and a .bib file for Hans to test. I make my .bib file in BibDesk on the Mac (the preview style is abbrev). BibDesk uses LaTeX to produce the preview and that looks perfect.
>
> When I run the KingsTest.tex in ConTeXt Minimals Mark II I get proper output (I have two extra periods but that is probably my fault). When I run the same file using Mark IV I get the title only in the output.
>
> Thanks for looking into this.
> Charlie
I was just preparing a test file when yours arrived; this is a good minimal example. Hans, one request: to facilitate debugging bib-related problems (which seem to occur quite often), could we add one very small example .bib file to the minimals under
context/tex/texmf-context/bibtex/bib
I guess that would make it a lot easier. We can either take Charlie's file or one of the many small bib files that come with texlive. My suggestion would be to post this bib file on the wiki as well. We could then encourage users to add further entries as problems occur.
Thomas
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 9:38 ` Charles Doherty
2010-10-22 10:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2010-10-22 10:44 ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-10-22 14:47 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2010-10-22 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On Friday 22 October 2010 11:38:35 Charles Doherty wrote:
>
> When I run the KingsTest.tex in ConTeXt Minimals Mark II I get proper
> output (I have two extra periods but that is probably my fault). When I
> run the same file using Mark IV I get the title only in the output.
>
The problem appears to be with \setuppublications[criterium=all]
which may be ignored under mkiv.
Alan
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 10:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2010-10-22 13:51 ` Hans Hagen
2010-10-22 16:42 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-10-22 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 22-10-2010 12:05, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Charles Doherty wrote:
>
>> Dear Thomas and Hans,
>>
>> Thanks for looking at this and apologies for not sending the bib file. I attach a .tex file and a .bib file for Hans to test. I make my .bib file in BibDesk on the Mac (the preview style is abbrev). BibDesk uses LaTeX to produce the preview and that looks perfect.
>>
>> When I run the KingsTest.tex in ConTeXt Minimals Mark II I get proper output (I have two extra periods but that is probably my fault). When I run the same file using Mark IV I get the title only in the output.
>>
>> Thanks for looking into this.
>> Charlie
>
> I was just preparing a test file when yours arrived; this is a good minimal example. Hans, one request: to facilitate debugging bib-related problems (which seem to occur quite often), could we add one very small example .bib file to the minimals under
>
> context/tex/texmf-context/bibtex/bib
>
> I guess that would make it a lot easier. We can either take Charlie's file or one of the many small bib files that come with texlive. My suggestion would be to post this bib file on the wiki as well. We could then encourage users to add further entries as problems occur.
we could have a bib file that describes all context related publications
but someone has to volunteer for that
Hans
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 9:38 ` Charles Doherty
2010-10-22 10:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-10-22 10:44 ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2010-10-22 14:47 ` Hans Hagen
2010-10-22 16:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-10-22 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 22-10-2010 11:38, Charles Doherty wrote:
> Dear Thomas and Hans,
>
> Thanks for looking at this and apologies for not sending the bib file. I attach a .tex file and a .bib file for Hans to test. I make my .bib file in BibDesk on the Mac (the preview style is abbrev). BibDesk uses LaTeX to produce the preview and that looks perfect.
>
> When I run the KingsTest.tex in ConTeXt Minimals Mark II I get proper output (I have two extra periods but that is probably my fault). When I run the same file using Mark IV I get the title only in the output.
fixed in next beta ... it probably never worked in mkiv so it went
unnoticed quite long
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 13:51 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-10-22 16:42 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-10-22 17:04 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-10-22 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> we could have a bib file that describes all context related publications but someone has to volunteer for that
>
> Hans
You mean we have to wait till Idris finishes THE BOOK?
Seriously: we need a sample of different publication forms - books, articles, incollections, electronical, etc. I'm quite willing to do this, but we need to have as much diversity as possible, 20 manuals from the pragma website is not yet a good test bed :-)
Thomas
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 14:47 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-10-22 16:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-10-22 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> fixed in next beta ... it probably never worked in mkiv so it went unnoticed quite long
>
Excellent - works now! Charles should look into the output; those spurious periods are not quite right, but I don't have time now to look into them.
Thomas
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* Re: Bibliographies in Mark IV
2010-10-22 16:42 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-10-22 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 22-10-2010 6:42, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> we could have a bib file that describes all context related publications but someone has to volunteer for that
>>
>> Hans
>
> You mean we have to wait till Idris finishes THE BOOK?
>
> Seriously: we need a sample of different publication forms - books, articles, incollections, electronical, etc. I'm quite willing to do this, but we need to have as much diversity as possible, 20 manuals from the pragma website is not yet a good test bed :-)
we have your articles, tutorials etc -)
anyhow, just cook up something usable .. (after all, you were going to
update the bib manual)
Hans
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