ICC profiles for \externalfigure

ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Pablo Rodriguez]

Dear Luigi and Hans,

I have the following sample:

    \setupbackend
      [format=PDF/A-3a,
       intent=sRGB IEC61966-2.1,
       profile={sRGB.icc,default_gray.icc},
       level=0]

    \setuptagging[state=start]

    \setupcolors[cmyk=no, pagecolormodel=auto]

    \setupexternalfigure[location=default]

    \startTEXpage[offset=1em, align=center]
    \dontleavehmode
    \externalfigure[cow-black]

    \dontleavehmode
    \externalfigure[cow-brown]

    \dontleavehmode
    \externalfigure[basic-figures.pdf][scale=200]
    \stopTEXpage
    \stoptext

The third external figure is found at
http://pdf.ousia.tk/basic-figures.pdf. I included it, since it adds a
transparency group (and I guess this might be relevant).

PDF/A-3a validation (http://verapdf.org) warns about XObjects not having
any ICC profile.

Would it be possible to add the "profile" key to \externalfigure, so
that each figure may have its own profile (or the reference to the
profile) added?

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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Re: ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Hans Hagen]

On 10/8/2017 11:09 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Dear Luigi and Hans,
> 
> I have the following sample:
> 
>      \setupbackend
>        [format=PDF/A-3a,
>         intent=sRGB IEC61966-2.1,
>         profile={sRGB.icc,default_gray.icc},
>         level=0]
> 
>      \setuptagging[state=start]
> 
>      \setupcolors[cmyk=no, pagecolormodel=auto]
> 
>      \setupexternalfigure[location=default]
> 
>      \startTEXpage[offset=1em, align=center]
>      \dontleavehmode
>      \externalfigure[cow-black]
> 
>      \dontleavehmode
>      \externalfigure[cow-brown]
> 
>      \dontleavehmode
>      \externalfigure[basic-figures.pdf][scale=200]
>      \stopTEXpage
>      \stoptext
> 
> The third external figure is found at
> http://pdf.ousia.tk/basic-figures.pdf. I included it, since it adds a
> transparency group (and I guess this might be relevant).
> 
> PDF/A-3a validation (http://verapdf.org) warns about XObjects not having
> any ICC profile.
> 
> Would it be possible to add the "profile" key to \externalfigure, so
> that each figure may have its own profile (or the reference to the
> profile) added?

i looked into it and it's not going to happen

(1) we don't interpret the included images

(2) and even if we could mess with the either or not present resource 
getting the resource from someplace (main document, upstream object) is 
dubious and fragile too

so .. fix the included images ... (bitmap images can be autoconverted 
into profiled ones runtime but i didn't figure out a call to whatever 
program for pdf yet)

Hans

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Re: ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 10/09/2017 08:16 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10/8/2017 11:09 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> [...]
>> PDF/A-3a validation (http://verapdf.org) warns about XObjects not having
>> any ICC profile.
>>
>> Would it be possible to add the "profile" key to \externalfigure, so
>> that each figure may have its own profile (or the reference to the
>> profile) added?
> 
> i looked into it and it's not going to happen
> 
> (1) we don't interpret the included images
> 
> (2) and even if we could mess with the either or not present resource 
> getting the resource from someplace (main document, upstream object) is 
> dubious and fragile too

Many thanks for your reply and for analyzing the issue, Hans.

I know this is a compromise solution. Of course, I cannot expect from
ConTeXt to assign the right profile to the image.

The user is the one that might mess the final PDF document by selecting
the wrong color profile for \externalfigure. But this possibility is
already there with the profile key in \setupbackend.

Choosing the right profiles is up to the user. Wrong attribution causes
unvalid documents, but attribution is a user task. Explaining this
information in the wiki is essential to clarify that “feature”. (I can
do that myself.)

Having this in mind, could you reconsider the implementation of the
profile key implemented for \externalfigure?

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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Re: ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Hans Hagen]

On 10/9/2017 9:55 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

> 
> Having this in mind, could you reconsider the implementation of the
> profile key implemented for \externalfigure?
as said, it will not be an engine supported features as it's technically 
impossible without messing up the backend (and we don't want to mess up 
stable code with fragile hacks)

if there is a command (gs, graphicmagic, ...) that can convert the image 
then we can add a converter directive (as we have for jpg and png)

Hans

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Re: ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2017-10-10 um 01:02 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:

> On 10/9/2017 9:55 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> 
>> Having this in mind, could you reconsider the implementation of the
>> profile key implemented for \externalfigure?
> as said, it will not be an engine supported features as it's technically impossible without messing up the backend (and we don't want to mess up stable code with fragile hacks)
> 
> if there is a command (gs, graphicmagic, ...) that can convert the image then we can add a converter directive (as we have for jpg and png)

http://www.graphicsmagick.org/GraphicsMagick.html#details-profile

gm convert -profile profile.icm picture.jpg
(didn’t try, on my way to Frankfurt book fair...)

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Re: ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 10/10/2017 11:27 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 2017-10-10 um 01:02 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> if there is a command (gs, graphicmagic, ...) that can convert the
>> image then we can add a converter directive (as we have for jpg and png)
> 
> http://www.graphicsmagick.org/GraphicsMagick.html#details-profile
> 
> gm convert -profile profile.icm picture.jpg
> (didn’t try, on my way to Frankfurt book fair...)

Many thanks for your reply, Hraban.

I’m afraid that only gs adds the profile without converting the vectors
to bitmaps.

Enjoy the book fair,

Pablo
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Re: ICC profiles for \externalfigure

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 10/10/2017 01:02 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> as said, it will not be an engine supported features as it's technically 
> impossible without messing up the backend (and we don't want to mess up 
> stable code with fragile hacks)

Many thanks for the reply, Hans.

I understand the problem now with fragile hacks. Sorry for having
insisted in my proposal.

I fixed the external PDF figure (http://pdf.ousia.tk/icc-vector.pdf) and
I used with in the following sample:

    \setupbackend
      [format=PDF/A-3a,
       intent=sRGB IEC61966-2.1,
       profile={sRGB.icc,default_gray.icc},
       level=0]

    \setuptagging[state=start]

    \setupcolors[cmyk=no, pagecolormodel=auto]

    \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
    \externalfigure[icc-vector.pdf]
    \stopTEXpage
    \stoptext

http://pdf.ousia.tk/icc-vector.pdf is the same graphic as
http://pdf.ousia.tk/basic-figures.pdf, but with an ICC profile. The
veraPDF validator (http://verapdf.org) says it’s a valid PDF/A-1b document.

But the output from the sample above
(http://pdf.ousia.tk/xobject-noicc.pdf) isn’t a valid PDF/A document.
The external figure has no ICC profile.

The uncompressed PDF document reveals that the XObject has no reference
to any ICC profile.

I’m afraid this might be a bug.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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