From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/80874 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith J. 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Sundqvist : > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: >> [snip, snip] >> a next step (already partially done) is that we organize the names in >> dictionaries as in open math (a bit of work) >> >> >>> Me, I prefer names that reflect the their functions, >> >> >> me too and i wonder if we should have proper names as well i.e. use verbose >> names as default (in char-def.lua) and define the short ones as synonyms (in >> a tex file) >> >> Hans > [snip, snip] > Fine. In principal I've nothing against typing || for double bars > (even though people moving from TeX/LaTeX probably will be used to | > for one bar and \| for two bars). Some questions: > > * Can one expect to get the right (that is the same as \Vert gives) > spacing by typing || (two bars) in ConTeXt in the future? I think we need to find a between input shortcuts and feasiblity. One could just use unicode 02016 and \Vert. In unicodemath you also have \Vvert for three bars. > * Sometimes one would like to write absoulte value of z times absolute > value of w, i.e. |z| times |w|. What if one writes |z||w|, will the > double bar in the middle be equivalent to \Vert? (That is not wanted) The proper way to lay this out is with a little whitspace between the to values, so input should be |z| |w| and not as |z||w| ! > * Will it be possible to write \Bigl|| and \Bigr|| to scale both bars > to other sizes? > * What if one would like to have three bars with the same spacing > between the bars as in \Vert? See above! regards Keith. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________