* Problem with vocalised hebrew
@ 2017-12-15 11:45 Lutz Haseloff
2017-12-15 18:09 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2017-12-15 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,
i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
My not fully working example:
\starttext
\definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
\setupalign[r2l]
טְרוֹפוֹתִי
\stoptext
In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the glyph, instead of being centered.
I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing something wrong?
Greetings Lutz
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* Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew
2017-12-15 11:45 Problem with vocalised hebrew Lutz Haseloff
@ 2017-12-15 18:09 ` Rik Kabel
2017-12-15 19:11 ` Lutz Haseloff
2017-12-16 8:23 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2017-12-15 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 2017-12-15 06:45, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
> Hi all,
> i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
> My not fully working example:
>
> \starttext
> \definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
> \setupalign[r2l]
> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
> \stoptext
>
> In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the
> glyph, instead of being centered.
> I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
>
> Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing
> something wrong?
>
> Greetings Lutz
> --
> GPG Key ID 3C4F83BC
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
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Depending on the font, correct niqqud placement requires some
combination (sometimes all) of the following font features: lang, ccmp,
and script. For Ezra SIL, I would use
\definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
lang=heb,
ccmp=yes,
script=hebr,
]
\starttext
\definedfont[name:EzraSIL*hebrew at 72pt]
\setupalign[r2l]
טְרוֹפוֹתִי
\stoptext
while for David_CLM the script feature suffices:
\definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
% lang=heb,
% ccmp=yes,
script=hebr,
]
\starttext
\definedfont[name:David_CLM-medium*hebrew at 72pt]
\setupalign[r2l]
טְרוֹפוֹתִי
\stoptext
You will have to find what works for narkisim.
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* Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew
2017-12-15 18:09 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2017-12-15 19:11 ` Lutz Haseloff
2017-12-15 21:54 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-12-16 8:23 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2017-12-15 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Thank you very much Rik,
your settings for EzraSIL are working nicely for my favorite font Narkisim.
Thanks again
Lutz
Am 15. Dezember 2017 19:09:09 MEZ schrieb Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com>:
>On 2017-12-15 06:45, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
>> My not fully working example:
>>
>> \starttext
>> \definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
>> \setupalign[r2l]
>> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>> \stoptext
>>
>> In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the
>> glyph, instead of being centered.
>> I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
>>
>> Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing
>
>> something wrong?
>>
>> Greetings Lutz
>> --
>> GPG Key ID 3C4F83BC
>>
>>
>>
>___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an
>entry to the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
>>
>___________________________________________________________________________________
>
>Depending on the font, correct niqqud placement requires some
>combination (sometimes all) of the following font features: lang, ccmp,
>
>and script. For Ezra SIL, I would use
>
> \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
> lang=heb,
> ccmp=yes,
> script=hebr,
> ]
> \starttext
> \definedfont[name:EzraSIL*hebrew at 72pt]
> \setupalign[r2l]
> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
> \stoptext
>
>while for David_CLM the script feature suffices:
>
> \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
> % lang=heb,
> % ccmp=yes,
> script=hebr,
> ]
> \starttext
> \definedfont[name:David_CLM-medium*hebrew at 72pt]
> \setupalign[r2l]
> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
> \stoptext
>
>You will have to find what works for narkisim.
>
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>Rik
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* Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew
2017-12-15 19:11 ` Lutz Haseloff
@ 2017-12-15 21:54 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-12-16 6:31 ` Lutz Haseloff
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-12-15 21:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thank you. Wikified: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Arabic_and_Hebrew#Hebrew
Greetlings, Hraban
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* Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew
2017-12-15 21:54 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2017-12-16 6:31 ` Lutz Haseloff
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From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2017-12-16 6:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Hraban,
thank you for wikifying.
B.t.w טרופותי is the ivrit name of the Gruffalo ;-)
Am 15. Dezember 2017 22:54:57 MEZ schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>:
>Thank you. Wikified:
>http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Arabic_and_Hebrew#Hebrew
>
>Greetlings, Hraban
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* Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew
2017-12-15 18:09 ` Rik Kabel
2017-12-15 19:11 ` Lutz Haseloff
@ 2017-12-16 8:23 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-12-16 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Rik Kabel
On 12/15/2017 7:09 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 2017-12-15 06:45, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
>> My not fully working example:
>>
>> \starttext
>> \definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
>> \setupalign[r2l]
>> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>> \stoptext
>>
>> In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the
>> glyph, instead of being centered.
>> I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
>>
>> Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing
>> something wrong?
>>
>> Greetings Lutz
>> --
>> GPG Key ID 3C4F83BC
>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist :ntg-context@ntg.nl /http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>> webpage :http://www.pragma-ade.nl /http://context.aanhet.net
>> archive :https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
>> wiki :http://contextgarden.net
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Depending on the font, correct niqqud placement requires some
> combination (sometimes all) of the following font features: lang, ccmp,
> and script. For Ezra SIL, I would use
>
> \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
> lang=heb,
> ccmp=yes,
> script=hebr,
> ]
> \starttext
> \definedfont[name:EzraSIL*hebrew at 72pt]
> \setupalign[r2l]
> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
> \stoptext
>
> while for David_CLM the script feature suffices:
>
> \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
> % lang=heb,
> % ccmp=yes,
> script=hebr,
> ]
> \starttext
> \definedfont[name:David_CLM-medium*hebrew at 72pt]
> \setupalign[r2l]
> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
> \stoptext
>
> You will have to find what works for narkisim.
There is a font feature hebrew already predefined
\definefontfeature [hebrewoldstyle] [oldstyle] [...]
if you have to set a language depends on the font (often dflt is ok).
This is the predefined set:
\definefontfeature
[semitic-complete]
[mode=node,analyze=yes,language=dflt,ccmp=yes,
autoscript=position,autolanguage=position,
init=yes,medi=yes,fina=yes,isol=yes,
mark=yes,mkmk=yes,kern=yes,curs=yes,
liga=yes,dlig=yes,rlig=yes,clig=yes,calt=yes]
\definefontfeature
[semitic-simple]
[mode=node,analyze=yes,language=dflt,ccmp=yes,
autoscript=position,autolanguage=position,
init=yes,medi=yes,fina=yes,isol=yes,
mark=yes,mkmk=yes,kern=yes,curs=yes,
rlig=yes,calt=yes]
\definefontfeature
[arabic]
[semitic-complete]
[script=arab]
\definefontfeature
[syriac]
[arabic]
[fin2=yes,fin3=yes,med2=yes]
\definefontfeature
[hebrew]
[semitic-complete]
[script=hebr]
\definefontfeature
[simplearabic]
[semitic-simple]
[script=arab]
\definefontfeature
[simplehebrew]
[semitic-simple]
[script=hebr]
Hans
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